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Hey Jamman, what do you think you're doing asking questions on a discussion forum? We like to keep it quiet around here. :realmad:

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Apparently people like to see the same topics on the first page for days at a time. In the old days, I'm sure you remember them, you'd be lucky if a question stayed on page one for two hours! I say ask away.

 

I hope life is treating you well. :)

 

 

Thad

 

Ahhh the old days, remember them well.

 

I actually tried both of them and after break many all I could get was lines, and simplify just returned "no splines converted" so I'm doing something wrong. I ended up reverting to 9 to get the drawing done, took me about 10 minutes. I'll get the hang of it eventually.

 

<beatles> I'll get by with a little help from my friends. </beatles>

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Jamman,

 

Along with the 'Arcs' and 'Lines' buttons, there are three separate functions for "how" you want to break the spline. The first (default) mode is "Number of segments", the second is "Length", and the third is "Chordal Tolerance".

 

The reason it didn't work for you is you are set to # of segments. Try using 'Arcs' and 'Tolerance'. That should give you what you are looking for...

 

HTH,

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OK That worked, thank you. Since the button was displayed I thought it was the active default, didn't know I had to click it :)

 

No questions today, I'm a guy short so I'm in the shop running machines. I'm a short guy also.

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Another thing you should do as you use x6 more and more start making a list of your most used stuff and create a customized right-click menu with those items. I remove all the pretty icons as soon as I do a fresh install and make my own right-click menu. Its the only way to fly :)

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OK That's a new one, didn't know you could make a right click menu. That would be better IMO than toolbar since it is closer to the cursor.

 

There is just "those things" you use all the time, everyone has a set.

 

Is it easy?

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Yeah its pretty easy. Just right click in your toolbars somewhere and select customize, click on the drop downs/right mouse button menu tab at the top. From there it could be as simple as drag and drop items into the right click menu. I setup custom folders with stuff in them to keep it more organized because almost everything I do is in that menu.

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OK thanks, I'll try it that way for a few hours and see if I get the warm fuzzy feeling. I have a feeling it will basically be faster with it on but the flashing does drive me nuts.

 

More madness yet to come..................

 

also in the system config, you can change the color of the "highlight" to something better suited for your eyes.

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I'm baaaaakkkkkkk

 

A little confused between "tapping" and "rigid tapping". I used tapping accidentally on the fadal and it tapped holes. I select rigid tapping and it just sets there on top of the part not spinning.

 

Only difference I see is a G84 VS G84.1, but MR. Controller looks like it doesn't understand the 84.1.

 

No biggie because that isn't the machines duty in the end, but if someone has a clue on 84 VS 84.1 and would care to drop a few lines I would be grateful.

 

Thanks-

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regular tapping requires a floating holder to compensate for inaccuracies in the federate and rpm during the tapping cycle.

rigid tapping is a option that synchronizes the rpm and feed rate so a floating holder is not required

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This is where a Fadal expert steps in ... I don't have the foggiest idea what the rigid tapping code is for a Fadal.

Its worth finding out if your machine has the option as ridig tapping is a much better way to go if your machine can do it

 

 

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It's an 88HS control... I think.

 

When we bought it the seller said it had a 10,000 rpm spindle and rigid tapping also. This thing is strange, the spindle was going about 3 times the RPM it thought it was and by the time I got through adjusting parameters so taps were not boring holes I ended up at the 7500RPM settings.

 

Funny the settings I ended up at were nothing like the sheet inside the controller. The machine working parts (ball screws, linear bearings, tool turret, spindle) appear to have NO WEAR whatsoever. There is a white Fadal tag on the motor saying it is a 15HP which would point at 10,000 rpm. The actual Baldor tag on the motor says it is a 10 HP which would be the 7500 RPM. The vector drive for the motor has a similar paper tag from Fadal saying it has rigid tapping. The actual drive numbers return a 7500 rpm drive and says nothing about rigid tapping BUT being closed loop it should be able to do the math if the controller knows how to divide.

 

Out of the box at 300RPM the spindle was actually doing 900, proved this with a digital tach. It was overshooting the tool change orientation detent by so much a tool change was impossible. The parameters are no where close to what the factory setup sheet says after I adjusted it but it makes parts and taps holes now just not with G84.1. The machines setup when I got it was probably the reason it never got used, how could anyone make a part on it with one tool and the spindle outrunning itself by 3X?

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If you type SETP from the command line, you can see the control parameters. It should list in there in you toggle through the different pages if you have rigid tapping. I think it might even list the max RPM. You may have to re-cold start the machine after you exit the parameters mode.

 

We used G84.1 for rigid tapping on our Fadals. We ran them in Format 1.

 

Thad

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Thank you, yes format 1. The problem with SETP is it only displays what it is set at not what it is supposed to be. I'll play with the 84.1 again today in several situations to see what it does.

 

This is not the end :)

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Here is a sample from my Fadal post that uses the G84.1 notice the feed rate.

 

TA,1

%

O0001 ( T REV: )

( T )

(MACHINE TOOL : FADAL FORMAT 1 )

(DATE - 16-05-12 )

(TIME - 06:31 )

(*)

(MATERIAL: )

(STOCK SIZE: X = 0. Y = 0. Z = 0. )

(HOME POSTION COORIDNATES ARE THE FOLLOWING)

(X= )

(Y= )

(Z= TOP OF PART)

(*)

( TOOL - 1 DIA. - .25 1/4-20 TAPRH )

(*)

(USING FIXTURE OFFSETS: E1 )

(*)

G0 G17 G40 G49 G80 G90

T1 M6 ( TOOL - 1 1/4-20 TAPRH DIA. OFF. - 199 LEN. - 1 DIA. - .25 )

G0 G90 S300.2 M5 E1 X0. Y0.

G43 H1 Z2.

G84.2

G98 G84.1 X0. Y0. Z-.4 Q.05 R.1 F300.2

G80

M5

G0 G49 Z0.0

G0 X0. Y0. E0

M0

M2

( BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CHOICE - )

( THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING PRECISION PROGRAMMING )

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Cool Jay thanks.

 

Heres how it looked out of mine:

 

N100 O0099 ( RTAP )

N110 ( CREATED ON 05-16-12 AT 8:52 AM )

N120 ( MCX FILE - \\FILESERVER\MCX\STOCK\TOOLPATHS\210828_MTPTESTB.MCX-6 )

N130 ( NC FILE - \\FILESERVER\NC\RTAP.NC )

N140 ( MATERIAL - )

N150 G20

N160 G0 G17 G40 G49 G80 G90 H0 E0 Z0

N170 ( 1/4-20 TAPRH TOOL - 3 DIA. OFF. - 3 LEN. - 3 DIA - 0.25 )

N180 T3 M6

N190 A-0.

N200 G0 G90 S250.2 M5 M90 E1 X-2.5 Y1.031

N210 G84.2

N220 H3 Z.1 M8

N230 G84.1 G99 Z-.65 R0.1 F250. Q.05 P100

N240 X0.

N250 X2.5

N260 Y-1.031

N270 X0.

N280 X-2.5

N290 G80

N300 M5 M9

N310 G90 H0 Z0.

N320 E0 X0 Y0

N330 M2

 

 

I have determined that this Fadal does not have rigid tapping. Good thing I don't have to tap with it a lot :)

 

Since you seem to be Fadal savvy, I see you can use DF, DT, DTT, DV BUT is there anywhere you can see the difference between the cold start position and what you have entered for SETX, SETY, SETZ? Just curiosity at this point, on our HAAS the part position ends up being G54 which you can see.

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Since you seem to be Fadal savvy, I see you can use DF, DT, DTT, DV BUT is there anywhere you can see the difference between the cold start position and what you have entered for SETX, SETY, SETZ? Just curiosity at this point, on our HAAS the part position ends up being G54 which you can see.

I know there is a page I just can not remember the DOS command for it. I will have to find my Fadal cheater cards in my tool box.

 

Did you notice at the top of my posted code that it outputs the TA,1 so you only have to have the machine sitting at the Command to send? you can also change that for DNC and will run from there to.

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