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Leigh @ Race Face, on 15 March 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

I used Gibbs for 3 years before I even touched Mastercam and I hated every moment of it. I would take a buggy version of Mastercam over GibbSCAM any day!

That's ok. Everyone has there preference, my hole point is that is does what you tell it to do without any B.S. workarounds.

[Mark @ PPG]

Gibbs -> no undercutting surfacing routines, at least according to the self described power user I "talked" with as he gave me an in depth demonstration of this software while I toured medical manufacturing facility...

Makes it useless in 80% of my applications...

[GoetzInd]

My problem with MC is not its power or ability, it is it's reliability. I really like the software, it's just so predictably unpredictable.

Mike

[Neurosis]

CNC Apps Guy 1, on 15 March 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

The rason you won't see a thread lke this in GibbSCAM's forrum  because they alLow such a thing.

This is very true, and probably for ANY Cad/Cam forum. You have to give these guys credit for allowing our frustration to be heard publicly. I hope that they are listening and thinking about it finally.

I am not sure why this turned in to a Gibbs is good or bad conversation. There are plenty of lower end systems out there than have much better functionality in some areas and less in others.

The bugs on the other hand.

[Watcher]

Neurosis, on 16 March 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

This is very true, and probably for ANY Cad/Cam forum. You have to give these guys credit for allowing our frustration to be heard publicly. I hope that they are listening and thinking about it finally.

I am not sure why this turned in to a Gibbs is good or bad conversation. There are plenty of lower end systems out there than have much better functionality in some areas and less in others.

The bugs on the other hand.

I think that not so long ago eMastercam also had heavy censorship... I don't know why we pretend it was always like this... The fact is that many users got tired of suffering in silence and started to become vocal about the issues... and in the Internet era, NO ONE can censor and hold people frustrations long enough, in any matter or subject... In-House realize this and I think they are also tired of telling customers to workaround long standing problems while CNC does not step-in to say a thing... 2+2=4

In the day GibbsCAM start to create such level of frustration on their users, you bet their forum won't be able to refrain people to create a thread like this...

JM2C

[Mick]

Reading this thread makes it sound like the software is riddled with bugs, at least in the eyes of a few. That certainly isn't the case.

[Neurosis]

Mick, on 17 March 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

Reading this thread makes it sound like the software is riddled with bugs, at least in the eyes of a few. That certainly isn't the case.

No, it IS the case. It IS rittled with buggs. I can make you a list of buggs that have not been addressed since the day that I started using it.

I can crash this system at will mick. I can prove it to you.

[Mick]

Neurosis, on 17 March 2012 - 12:50 AM, said:

No, it IS the case. It IS rittled with buggs. I can make you a list of buggs that have not been addressed since the day that I started using it.

I can crash this system at will mick. I can prove it to you.

Of course, I knew you would respond

[gcode]

I can crash my car at will too

[Neurosis]

gcode, on 17 March 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

I can crash my car at will too

Really? A car analogy?  


When you bought your car, did it work or did you have to find a work around to get your heater to work? Or your windshield wipers? Did you have to find a work around to start your car?

How would you like it if your brand new car leaked oil right off of the show room floor? Would you keep it?

And BTW, i can get it to crash while doing things that are supposed to work. Not like im driving it intentionally in to a guard rail.

[Wes@M.A.D.]

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I can crash my car at will too

what kind of car Tom?

a Bug?

[Neurosis]

Wes@M.A.D., on 17 March 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

what kind of car Tom?

a Bug?

LMAO!

[Mark @ PPG]

Neurosis, on 17 March 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

How would you like it if your brand new car leaked oil right off of the show room floor?

Ford, chevy, dodge...heck I'll throw in a harley...they all do that. Are you saying they're not supposed to?

[newbeeee]

And don't forget BSA, Triumphs etc. Heh we build a whole motorbike industry over here like that.
Total loss oil system...have to keep topping it up with new so it makes the engine last longer

[Neurosis]

Mark @ PPG, on 17 March 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

Ford, chevy, dodge...heck I'll throw in a harley...they all do that. Are you saying they're not supposed to?

Maybe ive been lucky?  

I have a 10 year old GMC that does not leak a drop. Neither does my toyota.

[Mick]

Regardless, and of course imho, to say the software is riddled with bugs is being dramatic. Some of the early "Windows" versions were riddled with bugs. I'm talking the Version 5 series (ugh, that is going back). They were plain ugly.

I ran Unigraphics and Mastercam in parallel in the late nineties, through to the early 2000's. For around 5 years. Unigraphics had, roughly, about the same level of bugs I have encountered with Mastercam of late. And I would never have called Unigraphics "riddled with bugs".

If I owned or operated software riddled with bugs, I wouldn't be using it.

Of course, as always, that is just my humble opinion. And no, I'm not a fanboi. There have been times when certain aspects of Mastercam frustrate me, and some of those are present (or more so, not present) now.

[Watcher]

Mark @ PPG, on 17 March 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

Ford, chevy, dodge...heck I'll throw in a harley...they all do that. Are you saying they're not supposed to?

I think that the presence of the expression "brand new" in that phrase makes the whole difference... don't you agree?  

[Teh Bear without Brains kinda idiot]

Mastercam is stable while the file is small -simple geometry ,couple of toolpathes
when you have some different 30-100 solids of parts tool and fixtures
huge ammount of wireframe geo in different layers and 4-10 machine groups with 300
toolpathes the things look very different
that`s for a starter
the heavier the files more chances for bugs ,crashes and dif problems
Welcome to the world of bugs. workarounds .incremental buckups. and frustration .

[Bob Wolcott]

Mark @ PPG, on 17 March 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

Ford, chevy, dodge...heck I'll throw in a harley...they all do that. Are you saying they're not supposed to?

Funny...  and who were the car companies taking bailouts a few years back to avoid bankruptcy?  It wasn't the companies focused on quality.