C0ck on the block time...ball park times please
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 04:24 PM
Mike/Rob,
C0ck on the block time...ball park times please
C0ck on the block time...ball park times please
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 04:37 PM
GoetzInd, on 18 April 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:
Don't worry Newbee, no one in the world is making MACHINE READY code for that part in one hour.
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Cutting chips in one hour including my CAMplete Simulation so I know that thinngs won't go bump and that my feed rates are leveled... ONE HOUR!
If that offends some, well, then that's a you problem.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 04:47 PM
Didn't mean to start a p!ssing contest - I'd be very impressed with myself IF i could even do it, and I'd think I'm a god if I could do this in a day
I honestly didn't realise that this sort of thing could be grammed in this sort of time.
As the siggy says....a truck load to learn!!!
I honestly didn't realise that this sort of thing could be grammed in this sort of time.
As the siggy says....a truck load to learn!!!
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:36 PM
I actually have to agree with James , sorry James. 
The part is right there ready for programming. No
Designing just set WCS origin and start gramming.
On the rare occasion my boss has me machine from solid
Its fast fast fast.
Once you know yer stuff, it's second nature when
It comes to gramming.
The part is right there ready for programming. No
Designing just set WCS origin and start gramming.
On the rare occasion my boss has me machine from solid
Its fast fast fast.
Once you know yer stuff, it's second nature when
It comes to gramming.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:37 PM
Knowing that it is aluminum, I can agree with James. Wes makes a good point too though. Karlo and Gene have thrown the gauntlet down though, and I know why. Talk is cheap. You heard 'em folks, challenge them! They are up for it.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:41 PM
Wtf is this Wcs origin you speak Lickster? Us true 5-axis guys only know one.... Top... 
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:44 PM
With 5-Axes comes more freedom. Instead of motion being restricted, now, you can approach parts without those 3-4 axis restrictions so in a sense some things are easier. Now with that said, you have some new things to worry about. Tool clearances become more critical, maybe you need to worry about a trunion now, etc... But, all in all, 3 axis machines are communists and 5-Axis machines are Anarchists... 
to use a political analogy.
to use a political analogy.#48
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:46 PM
Jeremy Herron ADEX Machining ™, on 18 April 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:
Wtf is this Wcs origin you speak Lickster? Us true 5-axis guys only know one.... Top...
HAHAHA, thats just because MC verify only works in top!
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:48 PM
Anarchy for Uk! Sorry sex pistols moment. ROR! Seriously though James is spot on.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:53 PM
Rickster™, on 18 April 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:
HAHAHA, thats just because MC verify only works in top!
Uhhh... no comment...
But Seriously the way I was taught and the way I teach is WCS is for when you physically move the part, if the machine move the part top top top. Jus sayin'...
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:56 PM
Jeremy Herron ADEX Machining ™, on 18 April 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:
Anarchy for Uk! Sorry sex pistols moment. ROR! Seriously though James is spot on.
Just as I hit the reply button Sex Pistols Anarchy in the UK came on...
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 06:19 PM
Jeremy Herron ADEX Machining ™, on 18 April 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:
Uhhh... no comment...
But Seriously the way I was taught and the way I teach is WCS is for when you physically move the part, if the machine move the part top top top. Jus sayin'...
But Seriously the way I was taught and the way I teach is WCS is for when you physically move the part, if the machine move the part top top top. Jus sayin'...
I used to to it the dumb way too....
I was never taught i just learn it.
rip a customers part into 3 to 8 mold designed components and place each on in top wcs.
but then ec's take so d@mn long, repeating that process when you can separate
the entire part without moving a d@m thing and reprogram each component (with
verify out to lunch) is 10 times faster just picking the wcs for each component.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 10:24 PM
Jeremy Herron ADEX Machining ™, on 18 April 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:
Knowing that it is aluminum, I can agree with James. Wes makes a good point too though. Karlo and Gene have thrown the gauntlet down though, and I know why. Talk is cheap. You heard 'em folks, challenge them! They are up for it.
Ok -> I challenge them to cut with BE using a bull mill. Crossing my fingers here
The system they used as the benchmark is able to do a lot of nice stuff with bull mills... :cough: Hyper :cough: German :cough: too :cough:
Just saying...
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Watcher, on 18 April 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:
Ok -> I challenge them to cut with BE using a bull mill. Crossing my fingers here
The system they used as the benchmark is able to do a lot of nice stuff with bull mills... :cough: Hyper :cough: German :cough: too :cough:
Just saying...
The system they used as the benchmark is able to do a lot of nice stuff with bull mills... :cough: Hyper :cough: German :cough: too :cough:
Just saying...
In hyper.... only Flank Milling ( SWARF ) and Plung Roughing by default supports bullnose tools. But if you know the hidden - and powerful - cfg-parameters you can open up for bullnose on all the multiblade cycles
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:29 AM
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Ummmm, this part is not particularly difficult, the material is aluminum, and tolerances are +/-.005
Cutting chips in one hour including my CAMplete Simulation so I know that thinngs won't go bump and that my feed rates are leveled... ONE HOUR!
If that offends some, well, then that's a you problem.
Cutting chips in one hour including my CAMplete Simulation so I know that thinngs won't go bump and that my feed rates are leveled... ONE HOUR!
If that offends some, well, then that's a you problem.
I'm not offended James, but I am being realistic as well. This sounds more like something you would hear/see at a trade show in a software manufaturers booth.
In "my world" I don't assume anything... There are a lot of variables that are unknown... I don't know how big the part is. I don't know what material it's made of. I don't know what the tolerances are. I don't know if the model is correct.
In "my world" the model has to be checked to the print (print is god), setup sheets have to be created, tool lists have to be created, program needs to be written. I don't assume that the model files provided by the tooling manufacurers are correct (if they even have models). If the tool holder is not in my library then I check it dimensionaly and make sure it is correct. I run the program in vericut. Then I run the program through TWS optimization. After optimization the program needs to be run through vericut once again. Only then is the program ready to be release to the floor.
That being said, sure I could throw a toolpath on the model in 1 hour using 1 ball endmill (bad choice IMO), but no way in hell would I put my name in the header of that program and release it on the floor. Just my 2 cents.
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Watcher, on 18 April 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:
Ok -> I challenge them to cut with BE using a bull mill. Crossing my fingers here
The system they used as the benchmark is able to do a lot of nice stuff with bull mills... :cough: Hyper :cough: German :cough: too :cough:
Just saying...
The system they used as the benchmark is able to do a lot of nice stuff with bull mills... :cough: Hyper :cough: German :cough: too :cough:
Just saying...
When it comes to 5-Axis Milling, nothing can touch HyperMill when it comes to collision avoidance.
I'm sure Karlo is confident in Blade Expert but it's an overpriced solution considering the market and the tools currently available.
No bullnose support is a non-starter.
PS- Were still waiting for the Mastercam MTM Product
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:26 AM
+10 to Rob
our blades are generally +/- .001 and made from Inconnel and have to be a polished 9 micro when done. So, I'll take your 1 hr gramming time and use it for toilet paper. Scrap a part? you dont just throw it under the bench and start over. We have some forgings here that are $12,000 each just for the material. Only a fool will say they can whip out a program for that in no time and have it all ready to go.
Nice sales pitch James, I'll give you that
our blades are generally +/- .001 and made from Inconnel and have to be a polished 9 micro when done. So, I'll take your 1 hr gramming time and use it for toilet paper. Scrap a part? you dont just throw it under the bench and start over. We have some forgings here that are $12,000 each just for the material. Only a fool will say they can whip out a program for that in no time and have it all ready to go.
Nice sales pitch James, I'll give you that
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 07:36 AM
I think you guys are reading into what James said a bit too much
Programmed.. prooogrammed .. he didn't say anything about shop floor ready, and which part of the program polishes the blade?
or maybe he is, in which case ...
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This part programmed in 15 minutes with Blade Expert...
Doing it using conventional methods... probably closer to an hour.
Doing it using conventional methods... probably closer to an hour.
Programmed.. prooogrammed .. he didn't say anything about shop floor ready, and which part of the program polishes the blade?
or maybe he is, in which case ...
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 07:43 AM
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he didn't say anything about shop floor ready
Really???
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Cutting chips in one hour including my CAMplete Simulation so I know that thinngs won't go bump and that my feed rates are leveled... ONE HOUR!
Like I said throwiing a toolpath on a model is a piece a cake. Even a 6 year old could do that
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 07:47 AM
really Tyler ?
what did we miss ?
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Ummmm, this part is not particularly difficult, the material is aluminum, and tolerances are +/-.005
Cutting chips in one hour including my CAMplete Simulation so I know that thinngs won't go bump and that my feed rates are leveled... ONE HOUR!
Cutting chips in one hour including my CAMplete Simulation so I know that thinngs won't go bump and that my feed rates are leveled... ONE HOUR!
what did we miss ?
