JB7280

Standalone Tool Manager

Recommended Posts

Today I stumbled on the Standalone Tool Manager in the MC folder.  Does this Tool Manager have any benefits over just building your tools within MC?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 minutes ago, JB7280 said:

Today I stumbled on the Standalone Tool Manager in the MC folder.  Does this Tool Manager have any benefits over just building your tools within MC?

I find it easier to use when using dxf files to define holders..

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
21 minutes ago, JParis said:

I find it easier to use when using dxf files to define holders..

 

Good to know.  I've not had tons of luck importing tool geometry from some mfr's.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, JB7280 said:

Good to know.  I've not had tons of luck importing tool geometry from some mfr's.

mostly it's all about cleaning it up to just the tool profile, lines & arcs only, not overlapping entities and no geo hidden on any levels..

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The process with solid holder for milling that are assemblies is a little cumbersome. The lathe 3D tools is coming along nicely and when they make the switch for the milling to 3D tools then hopefully all of this gets sorted out to make our lives as programmers easier.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 hours ago, JParis said:

mostly it's all about cleaning it up to just the tool profile, lines & arcs only, not overlapping entities and no geo hidden on any levels..

I recently downloaded a stp file of a mitsu drill, just to try it, and it was a bit of a mess.  The drill was an F drill, with an 8mm shank, and because of how it was drawn, MC wanted to force the cutting dia. to .315, rather than just the shank because of some lingering lines.  I ended up just going back to the old way.  I usually end up not even buying mitsu tools just because their website is atrocious.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 hours ago, JB7280 said:

I've not had tons of luck importing tool geometry from some mfr's.

I guess you could take that a few different ways.  :rofl:

  • Haha 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I actually really prefer it. Aside from it crashing regularly it's really nice to use to build holders and assemblies in. I've been able to organize tool databases a lot easier in it as well. It's not perfect by any means but it's definitely a useful tool. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, Thad said:

I guess you could take that a few different ways.  :rofl:

Haha, not intentional, but I suppose it should have been.

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I use it. I wish they would put some more time into it  and make it as powerful as some of the tools in mastercam. I believe it would also be nice to back save tools to the library that were built in an instance of mc... the stand alone has its issues but its not useless.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
32 minutes ago, Bbeyer562 said:

I use it. I wish they would put some more time into it  and make it as powerful as some of the tools in mastercam. I believe it would also be nice to back save tools to the library that were built in an instance of mc... the stand alone has its issues but its not useless.

i always thought it was easier to start another instance of mastercam, do a Drill Toolpath and select the origin, and then setup all my tools for a job and holders using that drill toolpath. Basically just going back and forth between the Tool and Holder page in a drill path normally not even ever checking out of it until every tool is defined. I just personally find it easier because i can use things like the Right Click Edit Tool Projection, i can import custom tool profiles or holder profiles from more geometry sources (external one only supports DXF files, internal tool manager supports Step and .mcam files also) and not only that but i am so much more experienced with mastercams internal tool manager compared to the external tool manager so i am much faster and confident in the internal one. so after i setup lets say 15 tools in that Drill toolpath, i just go to the tool manager in mastercam, all the tools are already there since i had set them up in a toolpath, then i save them from the internal tool manager to whatever library i want. I am not saying this method is the best for all but for me its my favorite way to define tools is right in a toolpath, you dont have to setup any either just launch a drill path, pick anywhere and start defining tools and holders in that toolpath then they will all be there when you go to the Mill tab and visit the tool manager.  Its those reasons why i never use the external manager, i have not found one thing that it does better than the internal one. There might be something it does better, but i have not seen it yet. 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 minutes ago, JoshC said:

i always thought it was easier to start another instance of mastercam, do a Drill Toolpath and select the origin, and then setup all my tools for a job and holders using that drill toolpath. Basically just going back and forth between the Tool and Holder page in a drill path normally not even ever checking out of it until every tool is defined. I just personally find it easier because i can use things like the Right Click Edit Tool Projection, i can import custom tool profiles or holder profiles from more geometry sources (external one only supports DXF files, internal tool manager supports Step and .mcam files also) and not only that but i am so much more experienced with mastercams internal tool manager compared to the external tool manager so i am much faster and confident in the internal one. so after i setup lets say 15 tools in that Drill toolpath, i just go to the tool manager in mastercam, all the tools are already there since i had set them up in a toolpath, then i save them from the internal tool manager to whatever library i want. I am not saying this method is the best for all but for me its my favorite way to define tools is right in a toolpath, you dont have to setup any either just launch a drill path, pick anywhere and start defining tools and holders in that toolpath then they will all be there when you go to the Mill tab and visit the tool manager.  Its those reasons why i never use the external manager, i have not found one thing that it does better than the internal one. There might be something it does better, but i have not seen it yet. 

 

I agree. I just feel like the whole process could be better. Tool management is a pain in the butt.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
33 minutes ago, Bbeyer562 said:

I agree. I just feel like the whole process could be better. Tool management is a pain in the butt.

Yes and like I said big strides in the Lathe 3D tools and when that is ported over to the milling side then we will benefit from it. Now when that is going to happen I have no idea.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've gone back and forth, in Mastercam and in Tool Manager. Doing the tool in  Mastercam just seems to work better for my own work flow.

So, I usually have 2 sessions open. I do all my CAD for the tools and holders in one file. Cutting tools are levels 10,001 to 19,999. Holders 20,000 to 29,0000. Tool 1 would use 10,001 and 20,001. So on and so forth. Not every tool gets a new holder. 

 

JM2CFWIW YMMV 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Whats the file called?  Id like to investigate

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
46 minutes ago, AMCNitro said:

Whats the file called?  Id like to investigate

It's a program not a file. Similar to Code Expert, and Active Reports Designer.  However you can open your present tool databases in it. It's easily found in the start menu or search for it. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

Join us!

eMastercam - your online source for all things Mastercam.

Together, we are the strongest Mastercam community on the web with over 56,000 members, and our online store offers a wide selection of training materials for all applications and skill levels.

Follow us