HAAS VR11 - 5 AXIS MILL - HSK

[jean]

is there some sort of utility you can access that detours 5 axis head from going home every time it changes hole drilling location..

Thanks ahead of time!

[huskermcdoogle]

A sample file would tell us a ton as to why you are getting the output you are.

Short answer as we don't have anything much to go by:

Use 5x drill path not planar drill toolpaths.  Which if you are up to date and have a multi-axis license is all under one toolpath now.  If you are creating a toolpath for each hole, combine them all under one and it should act better than it is now.  Past that it would be a post issue likely.

[jean]

Your absolutely right, i have all the solid holes chained together and its still doing it! we will have to get with the post processor  developer..

Thanks for your time!

[crazy^millman]

1 hour ago, jean said:

Your absolutely right, i have all the solid holes chained together and its still doing it! we will have to get with the post processor  developer..

Thanks for your time!

Most posts have a switch built int to them not send it home if he machine doesn't need to go home. really comes down to control and method. You say 5 axis, but is the code true 5 axis or is 3+2?

[jean]

Yeah, is moves simultaneous is all axes and the B and C have infinite movement within the restricted degree of travel.

We've been working with  Postability and QTE trying to get this issue resolved and honestly we don't know if the back ground variables in the control are causing some issues and we are working with our Haas Distribution from Little Rock Arkansas...  

[crazy^millman]

1 hour ago, jean said:

Yeah, is moves simultaneous is all axes and the B and C have infinite movement within the restricted degree of travel.

We've been working with  Postability and QTE trying to get this issue resolved and honestly we don't know if the back ground variables in the control are causing some issues and we are working with our Haas Distribution from Little Rock Arkansas...  

You got the best people working on it. Tell Mark or Reece and QTE Ron Branch says hello if you're working with either of them. Not sure if Jeff was your sales guy or not. 

[jean]

I worked with Jeff and Reece when I was in Kansas and bought a few license from Jeff/QTE when I was in management , I'm in Arkansas programming now..

but yeah when! I run into them ill let them know you said hello?

[Dave Thomson | Postability]

Check out the use of Misc Reals 7 and 8 
http://postability.com/miscvalues

[jean]

Thank you for the reply and thank you for all the support you and your team have been providing us!  we have located the mechanical issues with the B and C axis. we where having miss alignment issues and positional issues and no one  thought to check the perpendicularity of tool.......  and found out the c axis was out by .014 thousands..... Now that the alignment issues addressed the lead on this project will be getting ahold of your team to address minor issues with post and simulator..

Thank you for your time.

 

[mecharlieB]

how ridgid is that VR 11? have you cut any H13 on it?

[jean]

We haven't cut hard metals on it yet, just aluminum.. Its the 1st one off the line and we are encountering software issues that Haas is addressing right now... Frustration of getting next generation machines, its aggravating that they didn't work these bugs out before shipping to customer... but oh well another day in manufacturing..

When we get all the bugs worked out and cutting harder material ill follow up and give some feedback.

[Colin Gilchrist]

5 minutes ago, jean said:

We haven't cut hard metals on it yet, just aluminum.. Its the 1st one off the line and we are encountering software issues that Haas is addressing right now... Frustration of getting next generation machines, its aggravating that they didn't work these bugs out before shipping to customer... but oh well another day in manufacturing..

When we get all the bugs worked out and cutting harder material ill follow up and give some feedback.

Hardware is one thing. Software is the other elephant in the room.

Head/Head Mills are brand-new to Haas, and they are finding that things which worked on their table/table machines do not just translate into Gantry machine motion as easily.

Make sure you have the Haas Tech update the Control software to the latest release. The 5-Axis Head they are installing on the VR-11 is built by the same company that builds their heads for the GM-2. I know someone who has one of the first GM-2 machines off the line, and they have had similar issues. One of the recent software updates has helped immensely.

These machines were designed so that Gene Haas could build more F1 parts in-house, rather than continuously buying the parts from suppliers. So keep that in mind. For the GM-2, you really get the sense that the machine was designed to trim carbon fiber panels, as it has high RPM's, but not much torque. I have not seen the specs for the VR-11 with the HSK spindle, but I wouldn't be surprised if it also had similar limitations. 

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Yeah, I just checked. Max Torque is 10.5 FT/LBS @ 12,000 RPM.

[Colin Gilchrist]

On 2/26/2021 at 4:27 PM, mecharlieB said:

how ridgid is that VR 11? have you cut any H13 on it?

Cutting H13? Have you looked at the spindle torque rating?

Their HSK Spindle is basically a hand router, mounted to 2 rotary axes.

[#Rekd™]

On 2/26/2021 at 4:27 PM, mecharlieB said:

 

how ridgid is that VR 11? 

 

It is a Haas...rigidity is not what they are known for!!!

[jean]

Yeah agreed Colin, the company bought it to do some aluminum parts for Falcon Jet and gulfstream... Machine is really manufactured for light duty stuff.

Thank you

[mkd]

I was hoping that HSK tilt spindle Haas held promise.

[cncappsjames]

On 2/26/2021 at 1:27 PM, mecharlieB said:

how ridgid is that VR 11? have you cut any H13 on it?

Ya know, you probably won't like the way you're gonna be forced to cut if you think you're gonna cut H13 on a head/head Haas. I know how to cut H13 on a 30t Robodrill too. Doesn't mean it's a great idea.

Prepare to have your expectations and machining strategies adjusted. 

[jean]

We are not cutting hard metals on it,  Just the good ole aluminum for now!