MC 2025 ?

[Fred @ Slate Industries]

The Good , Bad , the ugly ?

A 2024 MC fixed ?

A Bold new direction !!

A cookie cutter of ?

[TFarrell9]

Here's to hoping the stock model bug will be fixed in 2026?

[JParis]

I dunno, it has been a LONG TIME since something in a version release was so broken I could not use it....I have to go all the way back to 2005 and the release of the original X for that crown.

 

[OVodov]

I tried it, wasn't that happy,

It works very slow and the updates they added to 2025 don't really worth to switch to

[Radical1]

Had my first look at 2025 today, is there any way to permanently turn off the "digital graphic elements" (the visible planes in linking parameters) these are really annoying and I have to constantly click the icon at the top of the parameters page to turn them off. They have added this functionality to all/most toolpaths now, not just drilling.

[neurosis]

43 minutes ago, Radical1 said:

is there any way to permanently turn off the "digital graphic elements" (the visible planes in linking parameters)

have you tried turning them off in the operation defaults? 

 

[cruzila]

1 hour ago, Radical1 said:

Had my first look at 2025 today, is there any way to permanently turn off the "digital graphic elements" (the visible planes in linking parameters) these are really annoying and I have to constantly click the icon at the top of the parameters page to turn them off. They have added this functionality to all/most toolpaths now, not just drilling.

I've been turning it off at the top instead of unchecking all the boxes. Seems to be sticking for the most part. Somehow it saves it to default

[Radical1]

20 hours ago, neurosis said:

have you tried turning them off in the operation defaults? 

 

I tried in 2024 but it didn't work, I haven't had a chance to try in 25 yet

 

19 hours ago, cruzila said:

I've been turning it off at the top instead of unchecking all the boxes. Seems to be sticking for the most part. Somehow it saves it to default

I also turn them off with just the one click at the top but in 2025 the planes already show up as soon as you open the parameters, don't even have to go to the linking parameters page.

[gcode]

There really needs to be an option to turn these off.

I can see their value in a training environment,  but to me they are extremely annoying.

They have also changed solid selection behavior.

I filed a couple of bug reports on it, but the response was pretty much.

It's not a bug, the new way is better.

[gcode]

They have introduced a new plane checking feature in 2025 lathe

We've been programming VTL's in Mastercam for 30 years and the original programmers started 

with  horizontal lathe posts and sledgehammered them into  VTL posts.

so

30 years of lathe files do not conform to the modern plane structure in 2025

The files still run properly and post good code, but every time you regen, you get yelled at

about incorrect planes. 

If you regen 40 operations, you have to dismiss the warning 40 times.... every time you regen.

They are working on a "turn this warning off switch for this session" but it didn't make the initial release.

2025 lathe is off the table for now.

[TFarrell9]

19 minutes ago, gcode said:

They have introduced a new plane checking feature in 2025 lathe

We've been programming VTL's in Mastercam for 30 years and the original programmers started 

with  horizontal lathe posts and sledgehammered them into  VTL posts.

so

30 years of lathe files do not conform to the modern plane structure in 2025

The files still run properly and post good code, but every time you regen, you get yelled at

about incorrect planes. 

If you regen 40 operations, you have to dismiss the warning 40 times.... every time you regen.

They are working on a "turn this warning off switch for this session" but it didn't make the initial release.

2025 lathe is off the table for now.

I noticed this yesterday we regenerating a toolpath for the vtl, it said something about the tool being used for a lower turret or something.

[TFarrell9]

1 hour ago, gcode said:

 

They have also changed solid selection behavior.

 

I keep running into instances where it looks like the solid is selected (for example, just importing a solid) in grey, and if I click on it, it doesn't turn yellow and if I hit escape, it doesn't cancel the "selection" so I can't tell if something is still selected or if it's been un-selected. Quite annoying. 

Edit: it's happening with wireframe as well. Anyone else?

[gcode]

Yesterday I was working with a solid model.

It was a Catia V5 file, brought into X24 with the MoldPlus Cat converter. then imported into X25

I was able to chain some drill toolpaths from holes in the solid,  but I had to hold down the  "C" shortcut key for every hole.

I was not able to select or lock the AutoCursor "C" and hovering over the hole sometimes  selected the top of the hole

and sometimes the bottom of the hole. This is a very unsatisfactory and unsafe result.

So.... I got the drill paths chained OK, with twice the keystrokes it used to take and had to take extra care

not to select the bottom of the hole instead of the top.

At one point I wanted to "analyze distance" between the top and bottom of a hole.

I was not able to select anything at all, I had to create  wireframe on the model and measure that

to get the number I needed.

The new solids selection method may be "better", but as far as I can tell, it's just broken.

 

 

[Chally72]

The graphical planes settings are saved on a per-toolpath basis, so you can just turn them off using that overall on/off switch on the dialog, then use the Save Defaults button to apply that permanently to specific op types- for example if you wanted to see them in drill ops but not in mill ops, etc.

[neurosis]

On 7/11/2024 at 9:00 AM, gcode said:

I was able to chain some drill toolpaths from holes in the solid,  but I had to hold down the  "C" shortcut key for every hole.

I was not able to select or lock the AutoCursor "C" and hovering over the hole sometimes  selected the top of the hole

and sometimes the bottom of the hole. This is a very unsatisfactory and unsafe result.

I just abandoned 2025 over this.  I could probably get used to it but yea, solid selection blows now.  This is really going to be the new default? Having to hit C every single time you want to select a hole center?

[gcode]

26 minutes ago, neurosis said:

I just abandoned 2025 over this.  I could probably get used to it but yea, solid selection blows now.  This is really going to be the new default? Having to hit C every single time you want to select a hole center?

email qc and let them know.. if enough people make noise perhaps they'll listen

my bug report on this was discounted and not issued a bug number

the new solid selection method is not only broken.. it is extremely easy to select the bottom of a hole instead of the top.

That makes it too dangerous to use.

 

[Chally72]

Comments on the autocursor centerpoint changes are noted and I'll bring it up to the Product Owner for further discussion. Thanks guys.

[neurosis]

1 hour ago, gcode said:

email qc and let them know.. if enough people make noise perhaps they'll listen

my bug report on this was discounted and not issued a bug number

the new solid selection method is not only broken.. it is extremely easy to select the bottom of a hole instead of the top.

That makes it too dangerous to use.

 

I sent an email and got a "we'll  forward your concerns to the team responsible" response. 

 

 

23 minutes ago, Chally72 said:

Comments on the autocursor centerpoint changes are noted and I'll bring it up to the Product Owner for further discussion. Thanks guys.

 

Any idea what the thinking behind this change was?  I can see wanting to turn that off occasionally, but defaulting it to off forcing you to have to enable arc center for every selection is tedious.

[Chally72]

4 minutes ago, neurosis said:

Any idea what the thinking behind this change was?  I can see wanting to turn that off occasionally, but defaulting it to off forcing you to have to enable arc center for every selection is tedious.

 

It was mentioned here:
Mastercam 2025 Is Available to All Customers – myMastercam

that it was in part to consistify the behavior between wireframe and solid autocursor selection while also expanding visual autocursor selection cues. 

I agree about the effect it has had on toolpath point selection. It's something not immediately apparent when in general selection, but which is felt when you're trying to zip through a traditional toolpath setup in several different ways.

[ajmer]

Just be aware these changes affect selecting wireframe and solids in the same operation for hole operations

if you want to select wireframe arcs and solid arcs you have to select wireframe first 

if you select solid arcs/holes first you cannot select any wireframe

you have to deselect the solids then select the wireframe

 

 

[JParis]

Selecting wireframe when there is a solid on the screen is a PITA...

Solid chain selection suck, has sucked, will always suck...this software it seems is determined to try to make wireframe unselectable at some point.

[ajmer]

draw some wireframe arcs away from the solid and try picking them when there is nothing in the way

[gcode]

2 hours ago, neurosis said:

I sent an email and got a "we'll  forward your concerns to the team responsible" response. 

 

 

 

Any idea what the thinking behind this change was?  I can see wanting to turn that off occasionally, but defaulting it to off forcing you to have to enable arc center for every selection is tedious.

 

This is the thread I started on Mastercam.com

I was complaining about how Translate/Dynamic had devolved between x24 and x25 when translating solids

At the time I didn't realize how bad X25 was with toolpaths

[jstell]

1 hour ago, gcode said:

 

This is the thread I started on Mastercam.com

I was complaining about how Translate/Dynamic had devolved between x24 and x25 when translating solids

At the time I didn't realize how bad X25 was with toolpaths

That's links to another one of the You do not have permission to view this content. spots.  Must be for developers or some such, like the beta for My Voice.

[gcode]

1 hour ago, jstell said:

That's links to another one of the You do not have permission to view this content. spots.  Must be for developers or some such, like the beta for My Voice.

 I thought it was on the main thread at Mastercam.com but it's not

That's a link to the Tech Preview Fourm

You have to be a special kind of crazy before they let you in there. 

Sorry.