UMC 750

[DavidB]

Hi guys I'm researching the HAAS UMC 750 all info I can find is good. You guys that have one how are they really? Are they accurate? Price in OZ is around $250k which is ggod compared to DMG, Mazak ect which are another $100K

The Doosan V630 is around $335K

Id like to know what you guys who have used them what you don't like or what you have found negative about them.

90% will be Aluminium work. Never used a HAAS before hows the controller to adapt to?

Cheers Dave

[Matthew Hajicek - Singularity]

Can't vouch for the UMC 750, but my company got a loaded VF-3SS about a year and a half ago and it has pleasantly surprised me.  I'd always heard Haas machines were krap, but I'm successfully using it to make titanium bone plates and 17-4 H900 medical jigs and tools.  Holds tenths pretty easily.  Using the trunion in 3+2, and using dynamic paths where possible.  The control is very convenient and user friendly with conversational probing and stuff, and they've put out a new version of control since we got it with even more conveniences.

[mkd]

10 minutes ago, Matthew Hajicek™ - Conventus said:

Can't vouch for the UMC 750, but my company got a loaded VF-3SS about a year and a half ago and it has pleasantly surprised me.  I'd always heard Haas machines were krap, but I'm successfully using it to make titanium bone plates and 17-4 H900 medical jigs and tools.  Holds tenths pretty easily.  Using the trunion in 3+2, and using dynamic paths where possible.  The control is very convenient and user friendly with conversational probing and stuff, and they've put out a new version of control since we got it with even more conveniences.

Do the new 3 axis mills come with the 5 axis DFO stuff like the UMC when equipped with the stand alone dual rotary?

[DavidB]

I'm not a HAAS fan either only because of the negative comments on here about HAAS but for a 5-axis the UMC 750 looks like good bang for buck. I never thought I'd even look at a HAAS.

I know you get what you pay for but with the HAAS near $100k less than its competitors its hard not to look at it.

Cheers

[Guest]

 

[civiceg]

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Do the new 3 axis mills come with the 5 axis DFO stuff like the UMC when equipped with the stand alone dual rotary?

If it has the newest control (NGC) it is an option.

[Rstewart]

Titans of CNC sure does like them

[Guest]

For an extra $35k you can get a Matsuura MX-330. The Haas and most of the machines listed above are not even in the same galaxy.

 

 

[Greg Williams]

Choose a nice little demo part and get both HAAS, Doosan, Mori etc to run some tests then check the the part dimensions.

[Guest]

Make em ALL use their respective equivalents of G68.2, G43.4, and G54.4 too. If they don't have it or can't make it work, ditch 'em. Scratch 'em off the list.

[Newbeeee™]

On ‎15‎/‎04‎/‎2017 at 7:26 AM, Greg Williams said:

Choose a nice little demo part and get both HAAS, Doosan, Mori etc to run some tests then check the the part dimensions.

Years ago I remember a trial part doing the rounds for I think Airbus (it may have been BAE - 20 years ago now). 24" ish ally part - 3ax all about metal removal.

Hitachi, Matsuura, Makino, and I think Mazak all had the part to prog and make and the cycles times were fastest in the same order.

My mate @ Matsuura couldn't believe how a 12k spindle Hitachi boat anchor could get anywhere near a 20k Mats let alone beat it.

Then they asked Airbus if they had measured the part to which the reply was 'err I think so, we must have, I'm sure we did'.

Needless to say Hitachi slipped to #4...

 

[Guest]

 

[Guest]

Don't make me post pictures from the "MAM Killer". It looks like ! Don't worry, I have what the 35V did too (it looks like jewelry). Same program, same tooling, etc... onlynthe machine and the pullstuds were different.

[MIL-TFP-41]

On 4/14/2017 at 10:02 PM, Foghorn Leghorn said:

For an extra $35k you can get a Matsuura MX-330. The Haas and most of the machines listed above are not even in the same galaxy.

 

I can vouch for the MX-330. Fun machine.

[crazy^millman]

MX-330 can do some pretty amazing things. The MX-330 project that was up on the Matsuura Facebook page recently was something Selway and 5th Axis CGI worked on together. We took a 36lb piece of Ti and turned it into 1-1/2lbs finished and everything in less than 7 hours. 5th Axis CGI helped the same customer on a different project and we are taking 24 lbs of Ti and making parts about 1lb between a 3 Axis and 5 axis in about 3 hours. We choose the 3 and 5 Axis process to keep it within the customer's workable hours since they don't have a pallet pool.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, 5th Axis CGI said:

MX-330 can do some pretty amazing things. The MX-330 project that was up on the Matsuura Facebook page recently was something Selway and 5th Axis CGI worked on together. We took a 36lb piece of Ti and turned it into 1-1/2lbs finished and everything in less than 7 hours. 5th Axis CGI helped the same customer on a different project and we are taking 24 lbs of Ti and making parts about 1lb between a 3 Axis and 5 axis in about 3 hours. We choose the 3 and 5 Axis process to keep it within the customer's workable hours since they don't have a pallet pool.

 

:yes:

 

[Newbeeee™]

I have to laugh that Matsuur'a marketing call the MX330 an entry level machine...

And I love the look of the PC10 version. Sweet as anything I've seen before.

[MIL-TFP-41]

47 minutes ago, newbeeee said:

And I love the look of the PC10 version. Sweet as anything I've seen before.

When our is complete I will put some pics up. 30 or 40 pallets.

[crazy^millman]

The MX-330 one I am aware of is only 10 pallets.

[MIL-TFP-41]

58 minutes ago, 5th Axis CGI said:

The MX-330 one I am aware of is only 10 pallets.

Fanuc robot....

[Newbeeee™]

^^^ is it safe to say I've gone all squiffy...

[DavidB]

I can t see that Matsuura sell in Australia? The MX 330 is to small for my parts

[Guest]

2 hours ago, 5th Axis CGI said:

The MX-330 one I am aware of is only 10 pallets.

From the Factory, yes, you are correct. There is a 40+ Pallet Option available though, or more depending on how much cube you need.

The MX-520 is the next size up from the MX-330, and the MX-850 is the next size up from the MX-520. The Robot Cell can work with any of them.

[cincy k]

15 hours ago, MIL-TFP-41 said:

Fanuc robot....

Cellro?

[Guest]

15 hours ago, cincy k said:

Cellro?

Trinity Automation.