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Back to the original topic, we recently added two new employees. We needed a couple of people with both setup and programming experience. We were not able to find what we were looking for. We did however find two guys with good setup and machining experience (10+ years each). Both live local to us but were driving up to the cities for work. We hired them both with the promise of getting them to training to start programming. So far we have only sent the lathe guy. He is doing very well for never having used CAM software. He programs out LT3000 twin turret/twin spindle and our Multus machines with very little help from me. He still has the occasional issue that gets him stuck but he can ask me for help when he needs it. The mill guy will go next to training. I do not know all of the details of what it took the boss to get them both to come on board, but I can say we are pleased with their performance to date and look forward to helping them grow in the opportunity that is in front of them. 

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5 hours ago, YoDoug® said:

Back to the original topic, we recently added two new employees. We needed a couple of people with both setup and programming experience. We were not able to find what we were looking for. We did however find two guys with good setup and machining experience (10+ years each). Both live local to us but were driving up to the cities for work. We hired them both with the promise of getting them to training to start programming. So far we have only sent the lathe guy. He is doing very well for never having used CAM software. He programs out LT3000 twin turret/twin spindle and our Multus machines with very little help from me. He still has the occasional issue that gets him stuck but he can ask me for help when he needs it. The mill guy will go next to training. I do not know all of the details of what it took the boss to get them both to come on board, but I can say we are pleased with their performance to date and look forward to helping them grow in the opportunity that is in front of them. 

With you guiding them Doug, they will do well!

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23 hours ago, YoDoug® said:

Back to the original topic, we recently added two new employees. We needed a couple of people with both setup and programming experience. We were not able to find what we were looking for. We did however find two guys with good setup and machining experience (10+ years each). Both live local to us but were driving up to the cities for work. We hired them both with the promise of getting them to training to start programming. So far we have only sent the lathe guy. He is doing very well for never having used CAM software. He programs out LT3000 twin turret/twin spindle and our Multus machines with very little help from me. He still has the occasional issue that gets him stuck but he can ask me for help when he needs it. The mill guy will go next to training. I do not know all of the details of what it took the boss to get them both to come on board, but I can say we are pleased with their performance to date and look forward to helping them grow in the opportunity that is in front of them. 

did you send them to TS or Okuma training?

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54 minutes ago, specv said:

did you send them to TS or Okuma training?

We have been training them on the machines ourselves. We sent the lathe programmer to TS and have been training him here as well. The Mill programmer is supposed to go to TS next month. 

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59 minutes ago, specv said:

did you send them to TS or Okuma training?

If you are looking to send someone to Okuma training I would recommend here, specifically the Multus U training.

https://www.yorktech.edu/CNC-Operation/

https://www.yorktech.edu/uploadedFiles/Pages/Programs_and_Classes/Workforce_and_Corporate_Training/_content/XMTT-509Syllabus_May2017.pdf

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On 7/5/2019 at 10:48 PM, Mick said:

Anyway,  I was just pointing out the "relatively new" thing. It is a common misconception. (Like "Mastercam is good at everything" 😀)

Agreed, and they all have their foibles, so given that it is just tough to beat the market penetration that Mastercam has with the advantages that  brings with it.

 

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I think the key is finding someone with either proven advanced programming experience on any type of machine, and a track record of having a desire to constantly learn and push the boundaries of their current knowledge.  That person will in short order be able to make that machine do things you didn't think we possible.  Finding someone that already can do what you think you need is obviously a needle in a haystack. Compounded by the fact that you really may not know what he actual qualifications are for the right person.  Sure you might be able to find someone that knows the machine functions and how to tie them together, but will you be able to find someone that has an unbiased view on how to process the parts that you want to throw at it.  Someone that will try three different things just to see which is best, instead of just getting it done with the first method they tried.

I have thought long and hard about this challenge in the past, as we were always looking for someone to take some load off of me at my last job.  To this day, he still hasn't replaced me, and continues to use a contractor that I have mentored over the years.  The key is to develop the skills you need.  To do that you need someone with the desire and motivation to learn by any means and methods available, to the fullest of their potential.

Best of luck.

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8 hours ago, huskermcdoogle said:

I think the key is finding someone with either proven advanced programming experience on any type of machine, and a track record of having a desire to constantly learn and push the boundaries of their current knowledge.  That person will in short order be able to make that machine do things you didn't think we possible.  Finding someone that already can do what you think you need is obviously a needle in a haystack. Compounded by the fact that you really may not know what he actual qualifications are for the right person.  Sure you might be able to find someone that knows the machine functions and how to tie them together, but will you be able to find someone that has an unbiased view on how to process the parts that you want to throw at it.  Someone that will try three different things just to see which is best, instead of just getting it done with the first method they tried.

I have thought long and hard about this challenge in the past, as we were always looking for someone to take some load off of me at my last job.  To this day, he still hasn't replaced me, and continues to use a contractor that I have mentored over the years.  The key is to develop the skills you need.  To do that you need someone with the desire and motivation to learn by any means and methods available, to the fullest of their potential.

Best of luck.

last 10 years I try find some shop  when I can learn from some one ,no luck .Everything  what I now is from this webside or youTube .No  one  send me for any training for mastercam  or some type of control 

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On 7/3/2019 at 10:53 AM, Bill Craven said:

A lot of my time these days is developing 'turnkey' part programs, and many times it is for a customer that has just bought a new machine with advanced capabilities and doesn't have anyone in house that knows how to run the machine and even set offsets, etc.

Starting with a good post is very helpful, but if the parameters in the machine are set differently from the parameters that worked for a 'proven' post, you might not get the desired motion.  

 

Working with posts from Mr. Postability (Dave Thompson) and posts from the crew at In House Solutions have been positive experiences.    But if you can't tell them why a snippet of code doesn't work, they can't fix it.  I end up burning a lot of time going back and forth between an Application Engineer from the machine tool manufacturer and the post developers.  

 

Okay,  I'm done whining.  

I love my job.  I really do.  The mental stimulation is what keeps me going.

Just wanted to mention that Postability is more than just me, although that title made me smile.  We've assembled a great team here including a senior applications specialist who you should meet Bill.  Message me if you would like an introduction.

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