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NCSimul vs Vericut

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I know this topic has been asked before, but I wanted the 2019 take on the matter. I am in the process of potentially changing verification softwares. Anyone have preferences for either NCSimul or Vericut? I know Vericut v9 is going to be released "soon", but I like the fact that NCSimul is written with OpenGL instead of Java.

 

Does anyone have experience with both and can compare the differences?

 

Thank you!

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I just went to french Vericut VUE and I heard that Vericut is not really written in Java but mainly in C. Java would be used for GUI.

I could looked at V9 deeper and graphical improvements are outstanding (sections, appearances, transparency, same quality in machine view and part view, ability to dynamically change view during animation,... ). A cgtech engineer told it's now OpenGL 4.5 vs OpenGL 1 in V8.

Should be released at the end of the year. I can't wait^^   

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30 minutes ago, David Colin said:

I just went to french Vericut VUE and I heard that Vericut is not really written in Java but mainly in C. Java would be used for GUI.

I could looked at V9 deeper and graphical improvements are outstanding (sections, appearances, transparency, same quality in machine view and part view, ability to dynamically change view during animation,... ). A cgtech engineer told it's now OpenGL 4.5 vs OpenGL 1 in V8.

Should be released at the end of the year. I can't wait^^   

So, it looks like your question has been answered :)

There have been some major improvements in V9, and yes, it is looking good.

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I own a copy of both and both have their plus and minus. Vericut V9 will hopefully bring the Graphics up the level NCSIMUL has been at. Both have their own process for using the interface to import tools into them. Vericut has been adding features to it that NCSIMUL already has, but the biggest feature I like in NCSIMUL you don't have in Vericut is the ability to change NC code in the middle of a Verification and get an instant result. IP files in Vericut can become huge and unstable on very large and complex files. NCSIMUL is now owned by Hexagon Manufacturing Group so they have a Multi-Billion dollar backing where as Vericut is still a privately held company like CNC software is. Both are very good, but neither of them offer posting from Mastercam that I am ware of. I also have a seat of CAMPlete and it doesn't offer the same type of checking that either of these offer, but it is also a good software that has it's place and does what most shops need from it and does psot code from Mastercam and other CAM software. Really going to come down to what you need from it and I have had world class service from 3 of the 4 mentioned above. 

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7 hours ago, Mick said:

 

There have been some major improvements in V9, and yes, it is looking good.

Indeed 

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On 10/3/2019 at 7:51 PM, 5th Axis CGI said:

I own a copy of both and both have their plus and minus. Vericut V9 will hopefully bring the Graphics up the level NCSIMUL has been at. Both have their own process for using the interface to import tools into them. Vericut has been adding features to it that NCSIMUL already has, but the biggest feature I like in NCSIMUL you don't have in Vericut is the ability to change NC code in the middle of a Verification and get an instant result. IP files in Vericut can become huge and unstable on very large and complex files. NCSIMUL is now owned by Hexagon Manufacturing Group so they have a Multi-Billion dollar backing where as Vericut is still a privately held company like CNC software is. Both are very good, but neither of them offer posting from Mastercam that I am ware of. I also have a seat of CAMPlete and it doesn't offer the same type of checking that either of these offer, but it is also a good software that has it's place and does what most shops need from it and does psot code from Mastercam and other CAM software. Really going to come down to what you need from it and I have had world class service from 3 of the 4 mentioned above. 

I have hosted a VUE and plan to host another, and Vericut v9 was demo'ed to us back in April. Looks like most of the upgrades/updates they are offering is the exact reason why I was considering switching to NCSimul. However, NCSimul in my context is approximately 10 times more expensive, even with a discount. CGTech offers a much more attractive pricing structure for us, including maintenance. CGTech also told users in that VUE that V9 would be released by September, so.....

I think I will wait to see what V9 has to offer before reconsidering the alternatives.

As I primarily use it for simultaneous 5-axis, I am not sold on CAMplete and other softwares that may or may not simulate and emulate machines accurately with the actual g-code. I really don't mind having to post from Mastercam and loading into the verification software. WYSIWYG

 

Thanks all for the input!

 

Edit: As a side note, is there a Mastercam 2020 C-Hook for vericut yet?

 

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2 hours ago, Metallic said:

As I primarily use it for simultaneous 5-axis, I am not sold on CAMplete and other softwares that may or may not simulate and emulate machines accurately with the actual g-code. I really don't mind having to post from Mastercam and loading into the verification software. WYSIWYG

 

Thanks all for the input!

 

Edit: As a side note, is there a Mastercam 2020 C-Hook for vericut yet?

 

CAMPlete, has never let me done on any thing I have run through it for the machines I have used it with. 

Yes the 2020 Interface for Vericut is released. Just send support an email and they will send you a download link. 

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6 hours ago, Metallic said:

I have hosted a VUE and plan to host another, and Vericut v9 was demo'ed to us back in April. Looks like most of the upgrades/updates they are offering is the exact reason why I was considering switching to NCSimul. However, NCSimul in my context is approximately 10 times more expensive, even with a discount. CGTech offers a much more attractive pricing structure for us, including maintenance. CGTech also told users in that VUE that V9 would be released by September, so.....

I think I will wait to see what V9 has to offer before reconsidering the alternatives.

As I primarily use it for simultaneous 5-axis, I am not sold on CAMplete and other softwares that may or may not simulate and emulate machines accurately with the actual g-code. I really don't mind having to post from Mastercam and loading into the verification software. WYSIWYG

 

Thanks all for the input!

 

Edit: As a side note, is there a Mastercam 2020 C-Hook for vericut yet?

 

I'm currently beta testing Vericut V9, and all I can say, is that the graphics are definitely improvement. As I type this I am currently running a hefty simulation, and the difference is plain to see.

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On 10/7/2019 at 12:21 PM, 5th Axis CGI said:

CAMPlete, has never let me done on any thing I have run through it for the machines I have used it with. 

Yes the 2020 Interface for Vericut is released. Just send support an email and they will send you a download link. 

Same here. Best code I ever got was from Complete. Never let me down.

Also have and use both Vericut and NCSimul. 

Not sure where the earlier comment came from someone's post that NCSimul is a lot more expensive. It's THE opposite.

 

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