Mick, Its been a while since the last post as I am just getting a slow down at work and have a minute to code. We have since upgraded the shop to 2017, I have 2013 vb studio community installed and have a c-hook shell releasing and debugging properly and doing a few one trick ponies. I need a few examples to help demystify things a bit. I've coded a c++ executable to write pallet programs for our micron robot cells and a few other little c .exe's that I use here at work, so I am not a total noob to the language. It Seems like its a bit secretive on the info sharing end of things, not sure why..Maybe as I advance, I will guard the Illumination as well ;-) Do you guys provide any examples, or must I suffer? Thanks, Greg