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thtalim

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edmBosto

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Tonny,

 

quote:
I perform rough cut continue with 2 additional skim cuts [before tab] and do 2 tabcut.

when I do skim cuts after tab separate,

condition code is 3.

It should be condition code 4, since we already cut 3 times.

 

Anybody can explain to me?

So your talking about a die shape in this instance because I get the notion you want it to finish machine this shape for the tab also instead of just cutting it off.

 

quote:
I prefer always reset pass number on tab cuts.

If this is checked it will go back to the first rough pass settings as long as you start with pass #1 and then finish the tab with your normal skim setting as you did when most of the shape was cut. That's providing this is a one operation toolpath.

 

I would not pick that setting for this.

You want the tab cuts at the end and reset passes on tab cuts. There is another option box to choose from. I can't remember the specific description from home.

 

Look at the parameter passes on the right where it states;

 

contour 1

Rough cut

Finish cut

Finish cut

 

contour 2

Rough Pass

Finish cut

Finish cut

rough w/Tab cut & stop

Finish cut

Finish cut

 

Contour 1

rough w/Tab cut & stop

Finish cut

Finish cut

 

Is this how you want it to look?

How big is your tab?

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thtalim

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Forgot to tell you, my wire job mostly for progresive die.

see my drawing, I cut 7 times simple square 20 mm x 20 mm, with compensation on both computer and control,

my purpose to do computer calculation is avoid cutting interference (since mostly my drawing max size is 3mm),

and control to give my worker allowance adjustment (about 3 - 5 micron)

 

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c396/thtalim/gambar.jpg

 

if number of tab cuts = additional skim cuts [before tab] + 1 (first rough)

 

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c396/thtalim/right.jpg

 

result of my post as follow,

 

(PROGRAM NAME - RIGHT);

(DATE=DD-MM-YY - 08-04-07 TIME=HH:MM - 18:10);

( VER : 2.10A Option database );

( Search Data :Water-5,BrassƒÓ0.20,Punch,Close,Steel,10.00mm,E=0, 0.9ƒÊ,7times,0.0000 );

( ON OFF IP HRP MAO SV V SF C PIK CTRL WK WT WS WP);

C000 = 006 015 2215 000 250 040 8 0100 0 000 0000 020 120 100 040;

C001 = 008 015 2215 000 251 025 8 0100 0 000 0000 020 120 100 045;

C002 = 002 011 2215 000 000 045 5 1068 0 000 0000 020 160 100 140;

C003 = 001 024 2210 000 000 023 2 1028 0 000 0000 020 160 100 240;

C004 = 015 024 0515 000 000 005 0 1048 0 000 0000 020 160 100 240;

C905 = 000 001 1015 000 022 012 3 3150 0 009 0000 020 160 100 240;

C906 = 100 000 0001 000 025 000 8 3100 0 020 0000 020 160 100 240;

C907 = 100 000 0001 000 025 000 3 3060 0 020 0000 020 160 100 240;

( Other Information );

( UP DN ! 1st 2nd~ ! );

(----------------------!------------------!---------------------);

( Dice : 0.21 0.21 ! PS : 9.0 2.0 ! Resi.:100000 );

( Nozzle: 6.0 6.0 ! UP : 6.0 1.0 ! Taper Offse:0.0000 );

( Distance: 0.1 0.1 ! DN : 6.0 1.0 ! );

H001 = 0.;

(PASS = 1);

( Die Contour 1 , 1 st cut);

QAIC(2,1,0.1000,000.7,0.1250,0.0100,004.0,0026,0086,15,035);

G90 ;

G92 X0. Y90. ;

T91;

T84;

C001 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.211 ;

G01 X-9.789 ;

G01 Y99.789 ;

G01 X9.789 ;

G01 Y80.211 ;

G01 X1.5 ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T85;

G149G249;

(PASS = 2);

( Die Contour 1 , 2 nd cut);

G00 X1.5 Y90. ;

C002 H001;

G41 G01 Y80.141 ;

G01 X9.859 ;

G01 Y99.859 ;

G01 X-9.859 ;

G01 Y80.141 ;

G01 X0. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

(PASS = 3);

( Die Contour 1 , 3 rd cut);

G00 X0. Y90. ;

C003 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.121 ;

G01 X-9.879 ;

G01 Y99.879 ;

G01 X9.879 ;

G01 Y80.121 ;

G01 X1.5 ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

(PASS = 1);

( Die Contour 2 , 1 st cut);

G00 X30. Y90. ;

QAIC(2,1,0.1000,000.7,0.1250,0.0100,004.0,0026,0086,15,035);

T91;

T84;

C001 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.211 ;

G01 X20.211 ;

G01 Y99.789 ;

G01 X39.789 ;

G01 Y80.211 ;

G01 X31.5 ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T85;

G149G249;

(PASS = 2);

( Die Contour 2 , 2 nd cut);

G00 X31.5 Y90. ;

C002 H001;

G41 G01 Y80.141 ;

G01 X39.859 ;

G01 Y99.859 ;

G01 X20.141 ;

G01 Y80.141 ;

G01 X30. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

(PASS = 3);

( Die Contour 2 , 3 rd cut);

G00 X30. Y90. ;

C003 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.121 ;

G01 X20.121 ;

G01 Y99.879 ;

G01 X39.879 ;

G01 Y80.121 ;

G01 X31.5 ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

(PASS = 1);

(Tab cut for Die Contour 2 , 1 st tab cut);

G00 X31.5 Y90. ;

QAIC(2,1,0.1000,000.7,0.1250,0.0100,004.0,0026,0086,15,035);

T84;

C001 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.211 ;

M00

G01 X30. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T85;

G149G249;

(PASS = 2);

(Tab cut for Die Contour 2 , 2 nd tab cut);

G00 X30. Y90. ;

C002 H001;

G41 G01 Y80.141 ;

G01 X31.5 ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

(PASS = 3);

(Tab cut for Die Contour 2 , 3 rd tab cut);

G00 X31.5 Y90. ;

C003 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.121 ;

G01 X30. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

(PASS = 1);

(Tab cut for Die Contour 1 , 1 st tab cut);

G00 X0. Y90. ;

QAIC(2,1,0.1000,000.7,0.1250,0.0100,004.0,0026,0086,15,035);

T91;

T84;

C001 H001;

G41 G01 Y80.211 ;

M00

G01 X1.5 ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T85;

G149G249;

(PASS = 2);

(Tab cut for Die Contour 1 , 2 nd tab cut);

G00 X1.5 Y90. ;

C002 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.141 ;

G01 X0. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

(PASS = 3);

(Tab cut for Die Contour 1 , 3 rd tab cut);

G00 X0. Y90. ;

C003 H001;

G41 G01 Y80.121 ;

G01 X1.5 ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

(PASS = 4);

( Die Contour 1 , 4 th cut);

G00 X0. Y90. ;

T91;

C004 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.11 ;

G01 X-9.89 ;

G01 Y99.89 ;

G01 X9.89 ;

G01 Y80.11 ;

G01 X0. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

(PASS = 4);

( Die Contour 2 , 4 th cut);

G00 X30. Y90. ;

T91;

C004 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.11 ;

G01 X20.11 ;

G01 Y99.89 ;

G01 X39.89 ;

G01 Y80.11 ;

G01 X30. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

(PASS = 5);

( Die Contour 1 , 5 th cut);

G00 X0. Y90. ;

T91;

C905 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.106 ;

G01 X-9.894 ;

G01 Y99.894 ;

G01 X9.894 ;

G01 Y80.106 ;

G01 X0. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

(PASS = 5);

( Die Contour 2 , 5 th cut);

G00 X30. Y90. ;

T91;

C905 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.106 ;

G01 X20.106 ;

G01 Y99.894 ;

G01 X39.894 ;

G01 Y80.106 ;

G01 X30. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

(PASS = 6);

( Die Contour 1 , 6 th cut);

G00 X0. Y90. ;

T91;

C906 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.104 ;

G01 X-9.896 ;

G01 Y99.896 ;

G01 X9.896 ;

G01 Y80.104 ;

G01 X0. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

(PASS = 6);

( Die Contour 2 , 6 th cut);

G00 X30. Y90. ;

T91;

C906 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.104 ;

G01 X20.104 ;

G01 Y99.896 ;

G01 X39.896 ;

G01 Y80.104 ;

G01 X30. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

(PASS = 7);

( Die Contour 1 , 7 th cut);

G00 X0. Y90. ;

T91;

C907 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.103 ;

G01 X-9.897 ;

G01 Y99.897 ;

G01 X9.897 ;

G01 Y80.103 ;

G01 X0. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

(PASS = 7);

( Die Contour 2 , 7 th cut);

G00 X30. Y90. ;

T91;

C907 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.103 ;

G01 X20.103 ;

G01 Y99.897 ;

G01 X39.897 ;

G01 Y80.103 ;

G01 X30. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

M02;

%

 

 

if number of tab cuts <> additional skim cuts [before tab] + 1 (first rough)

 

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c396/thtalim/wrong.jpg

 

result of my post as follow,

 

(PROGRAM NAME - WRONG);

(DATE=DD-MM-YY - 08-04-07 TIME=HH:MM - 18:11);

( VER : 2.10A Option database );

( Search Data :Water-5,BrassƒÓ0.20,Punch,Close,Steel,10.00mm,E=0, 0.9ƒÊ,7times,0.0000 );

( ON OFF IP HRP MAO SV V SF C PIK CTRL WK WT WS WP);

C000 = 006 015 2215 000 250 040 8 0100 0 000 0000 020 120 100 040;

C001 = 008 015 2215 000 251 025 8 0100 0 000 0000 020 120 100 045;

C002 = 002 011 2215 000 000 045 5 1068 0 000 0000 020 160 100 140;

C003 = 001 024 2210 000 000 023 2 1028 0 000 0000 020 160 100 240;

C004 = 015 024 0515 000 000 005 0 1048 0 000 0000 020 160 100 240;

C905 = 000 001 1015 000 022 012 3 3150 0 009 0000 020 160 100 240;

C906 = 100 000 0001 000 025 000 8 3100 0 020 0000 020 160 100 240;

C907 = 100 000 0001 000 025 000 3 3060 0 020 0000 020 160 100 240;

( Other Information );

( UP DN ! 1st 2nd~ ! );

(----------------------!------------------!---------------------);

( Dice : 0.21 0.21 ! PS : 9.0 2.0 ! Resi.:100000 );

( Nozzle: 6.0 6.0 ! UP : 6.0 1.0 ! Taper Offse:0.0000 );

( Distance: 0.1 0.1 ! DN : 6.0 1.0 ! );

H001 = 0.;

(PASS = 1);

( Die Contour 1 , 1 st cut);

QAIC(2,1,0.1000,000.7,0.1250,0.0100,004.0,0026,0086,15,035);

G90 ;

G92 X0. Y90. ;

T91;

T84;

C001 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.211 ;

G01 X-9.789 ;

G01 Y99.789 ;

G01 X9.789 ;

G01 Y80.211 ;

G01 X1.5 ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T85;

G149G249;

(PASS = 2);

( Die Contour 1 , 2 nd cut);

G00 X1.5 Y90. ;

C002 H001;

G41 G01 Y80.141 ;

G01 X9.859 ;

G01 Y99.859 ;

G01 X-9.859 ;

G01 Y80.141 ;

G01 X0. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

(PASS = 3);

( Die Contour 1 , 3 rd cut);

G00 X0. Y90. ;

C003 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.121 ;

G01 X-9.879 ;

G01 Y99.879 ;

G01 X9.879 ;

G01 Y80.121 ;

G01 X1.5 ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

(PASS = 1);

( Die Contour 2 , 1 st cut);

G00 X30. Y90. ;

QAIC(2,1,0.1000,000.7,0.1250,0.0100,004.0,0026,0086,15,035);

T91;

T84;

C001 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.211 ;

G01 X20.211 ;

G01 Y99.789 ;

G01 X39.789 ;

G01 Y80.211 ;

G01 X31.5 ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T85;

G149G249;

(PASS = 2);

( Die Contour 2 , 2 nd cut);

G00 X31.5 Y90. ;

C002 H001;

G41 G01 Y80.141 ;

G01 X39.859 ;

G01 Y99.859 ;

G01 X20.141 ;

G01 Y80.141 ;

G01 X30. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

(PASS = 3);

( Die Contour 2 , 3 rd cut);

G00 X30. Y90. ;

C003 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.121 ;

G01 X20.121 ;

G01 Y99.879 ;

G01 X39.879 ;

G01 Y80.121 ;

G01 X31.5 ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

(PASS = 1);

(Tab cut for Die Contour 2 , 1 st tab cut);

G00 X31.5 Y90. ;

QAIC(2,1,0.1000,000.7,0.1250,0.0100,004.0,0026,0086,15,035);

T84;

C001 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.211 ;

M00

G01 X30. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T85;

G149G249;

T90;

(PASS = 1);

(Tab cut for Die Contour 1 , 1 st tab cut);

G00 X0. Y90. ;

QAIC(2,1,0.1000,000.7,0.1250,0.0100,004.0,0026,0086,15,035);

T91;

T84;

C001 H001;

G41 G01 Y80.211 ;

M00

G01 X1.5 ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T85;

G149G249;

T90;

(PASS = 2);

( Die Contour 1 , 4 th cut);

G00 X0. Y90. ;

T91;

C002 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.141 ;

G01 X-9.859 ;

G01 Y99.859 ;

G01 X9.859 ;

G01 Y80.141 ;

G01 X0. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

(PASS = 2);

( Die Contour 2 , 4 th cut);

G00 X30. Y90. ;

T91;

C002 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.141 ;

G01 X20.141 ;

G01 Y99.859 ;

G01 X39.859 ;

G01 Y80.141 ;

G01 X30. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

(PASS = 3);

( Die Contour 1 , 5 th cut);

G00 X0. Y90. ;

T91;

C003 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.121 ;

G01 X-9.879 ;

G01 Y99.879 ;

G01 X9.879 ;

G01 Y80.121 ;

G01 X0. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

(PASS = 3);

( Die Contour 2 , 5 th cut);

G00 X30. Y90. ;

T91;

C003 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.121 ;

G01 X20.121 ;

G01 Y99.879 ;

G01 X39.879 ;

G01 Y80.121 ;

G01 X30. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

(PASS = 4);

( Die Contour 1 , 6 th cut);

G00 X0. Y90. ;

T91;

C004 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.11 ;

G01 X-9.89 ;

G01 Y99.89 ;

G01 X9.89 ;

G01 Y80.11 ;

G01 X0. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

(PASS = 4);

( Die Contour 2 , 6 th cut);

G00 X30. Y90. ;

T91;

C004 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.11 ;

G01 X20.11 ;

G01 Y99.89 ;

G01 X39.89 ;

G01 Y80.11 ;

G01 X30. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

(PASS = 5);

( Die Contour 1 , 7 th cut);

G00 X0. Y90. ;

T91;

C905 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.106 ;

G01 X-9.894 ;

G01 Y99.894 ;

G01 X9.894 ;

G01 Y80.106 ;

G01 X0. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

(PASS = 5);

( Die Contour 2 , 7 th cut);

G00 X30. Y90. ;

T91;

C905 H001;

G42 G01 Y80.106 ;

G01 X20.106 ;

G01 Y99.894 ;

G01 X39.894 ;

G01 Y80.106 ;

G01 X30. ;

G40 G01 Y90. ;

T90;

M02;

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quote:
3. I do Rough, tab & finish separate,

I found, if number of tab cuts <> additional skim cuts [before tab] + 1 (first rough)

when I do skim cuts after tab together is ok, but separate is not ok. if use both together and separate is ok.

as example.

I perform rough cut continue with 2 additional skim cuts [before tab] and do 2 tabcut.

when I do skim cuts after tab separate,

condition code is 3.

It should be condition code 4, since we already cut 3 times.

Do do that you have to uncheck reset pass number on tab cut and have the conditions you need for pass 4, 5, or 6 set to what you want.

Then it should post the way way you want.

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BERTRAM BOY

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1st of all, why are you cutting a cavity with 7 cuts? This seems like a lot of cuts.

Second, you are making 7 cuts all with the same offset and changing your geometry?

Wouldn't be easier to just change the offset value? Changing the geometry seems bit cumbersome.

Also, if you go to the lead in/out tab of the parameters folder you can avoid an unnecessarily long lead out.

Can you email me your MCX file? I'll try and post it.

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Happy now, My post work more or less as my wish.

See:

(PROGRAM NAME - TONNY);

(DATE=DD-MM-YY - 10-04-07 TIME=HH:MM - 00:53);

( VER : 2.10A Sodick database 3.2[0]M );

( Search Data :Water,BrassƒÓ0.20,Punch,Close,Steel,30.00mm,E=0, 3.8ƒÊ,3times,0.0000 );

( ON OFF IP HRP MAO SV V SF C PIK CTRL WK WT WS WP);

C000 = 006 014 2215 000 240 040 8 0060 0 000 0000 020 120 130 045;

C001 = 008 014 2215 000 242 015 8 0060 0 000 0000 020 120 130 055;

C002 = 002 023 2215 000 750 048 8 6050 0 000 0000 020 120 130 012;

C903 = 000 001 1015 000 000 030 7 7050 0 008 0000 020 120 130 012;

( Other Information );

( UP DN ! 1st 2nd~ ! );

(----------------------!------------------!---------------------);

( Dice : 0.21 0.22 ! PS :15.0 1.0 ! Resi.: 50000 );

( Nozzle: 6.0 6.0 ! UP : 6.0 1.0 ! Taper Offse:0.0020 );

( Distance: 0.1 0.1 ! DN : 6.0 1.0 ! );

H000 = 0.010;

H001 = 0.000;

;

;

( Die Contour 1 , 1 st cut );

TP0. ;

TN100. ;

QAIC(2,1,0.1000,002.0,0.1300,0.0300,012.0,0011,0036,15,035);

G90 ;

G92 X0. Y30. ;

T91;

T84;

C000 H000;

G42 G01 G52 X0. Y25.0955 A.002 ;

C001 H001;

G01 Y20.191 ;

G01 X-9.809 ;

G01 Y39.809 ;

G01 X9.809 ;

G01 Y20.191 ;

G01 X.1 ;

G40 G01 G50 Y30. ;

T85;

G149G249;

( Tab cut for Die Contour 1 , 1 st tab cut );

G00 X.1 Y30. ;

QAIC(2,1,0.1000,002.0,0.1300,0.0300,012.0,0011,0036,15,035);

T84;

C001 H001;

G42 G01 G52 Y20.191 A.002 ;

M00;

G01 X0. ;

G40 G01 G50 Y30. ;

T85;

G149G249;

( Die Contour 1 , 2 nd cut );

G00 X0. Y30. ;

C002 H001;

G41 G01 G51 Y20.126 A.002 ;

G01 X9.874 ;

G01 Y39.874 ;

G01 X-9.874 ;

G01 Y20.126 ;

G01 X0. ;

G40 G01 G50 Y30. ;

( Die Contour 1 , 3 rd cut );

G00 X0. Y30. ;

C903 H001;

G42 G01 G52 Y20.106 A.002 ;

G01 X-9.894 ;

G01 Y39.894 ;

G01 X9.894 ;

G01 Y20.106 ;

G01 X0. ;

G40 G01 G50 Y30. ;

T90;

( Die Contour 2 , 1 st cut );

G00 X30. Y30. ;

QAIC(2,1,0.1000,002.0,0.1300,0.0300,012.0,0011,0036,15,035);

T91;

T84;

C000 H000;

G42 G01 G52 X30. Y25.0955 A.002 ;

C001 H001;

G01 Y20.191 ;

G01 X20.191 ;

G01 Y39.809 ;

G01 X39.809 ;

G01 Y20.191 ;

G01 X30.1 ;

G40 G01 G50 Y30. ;

T85;

G149G249;

( Tab cut for Die Contour 2 , 1 st tab cut );

G00 X30.1 Y30. ;

QAIC(2,1,0.1000,002.0,0.1300,0.0300,012.0,0011,0036,15,035);

T84;

C001 H001;

G42 G01 G52 Y20.191 A.002 ;

G01 X30. ;

G40 G01 G50 Y30. ;

T85;

G149G249;

( Die Contour 2 , 2 nd cut );

G00 X30. Y30. ;

C002 H001;

G41 G01 G51 Y20.126 A.002 ;

G01 X39.874 ;

G01 Y39.874 ;

G01 X20.126 ;

G01 Y20.126 ;

G01 X30. ;

G40 G01 G50 Y30. ;

( Die Contour 2 , 3 rd cut );

G00 X30. Y30. ;

C903 H001;

G42 G01 G52 Y20.106 A.002 ;

G01 X20.106 ;

G01 Y39.894 ;

G01 X39.894 ;

G01 Y20.106 ;

G01 X30. ;

G40 G01 G50 Y30. ;

T90;

M02;

( TOTAL LENGTH IS 630.7757 MM )

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Check, I make first aproach cut divide by 2, half for C000 H000 and second C001 H001. This is the best way to avoid wire broken.

 

Any idea to add to my post?

Tomorrow morning I'll test cut on machine.

I'm happy now, tomorrow can sleep early. no need to work till 3AM. See my picture, that's how I work.

 

To BERTRAM BOY,

my job actually maximum size 3mm x 3mm,

last week I cut carbide drawing dies square .5mm x .5mm .

this one, must cut as smooth as possible, as my machine finish can archieve 0,9urz so easier to do finishing.( by diamond paste )

sometimes, I cut 0.3x0.5 size with profile, not rectangular. This make me crazy, must use wire 0.07mm

last month I cut gear z=20 D=12, try if you can cut ( must use checking cutting interference ) but I don't like, sometimes "machine hang"

Also, many cuts all with the same offset and changing your geometry not a problem for me, I do only chaining, all offset made by computer (using library). So my worker if changing the offset maximum 0.003

I do all with single operation.

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