i hope to own a bike someday. i'll take the comments from this and other threads along to the shops with me when i start looking. nothing beats the opinion of experienced riders (good or bad)!

me thinks that mr white probably did a search on this and seen the flamewar from before and started it all over again to get rekd going. seems like a button pusher(no i don't mean machine button pusher either for you smartasses) from what i've read on here.

i'm a little suprised by the lack of votes for MLB. does anyone think this is due to the lockout or the debacle in the all-star game a couple of years back? or even the charlie hustle (pete rose) ordeal?

james... don't forget i'm an ND fan living in michigan. i loved the outcome of the rose bowl - no wait, i wanted the score to be a little more lopsided!

seriously though, most of the reports i read or saw were national ones - espn, cnnsi, foxsports. i'm sure they aren't 100% accurate.

here in michigan, the reports are saying he DID get money from somewhere. they are saying he needs to get rid of the agent (recommended for all athletes), and repay the millions of dollars he already received (form who i don't know). personally, i think he shouldn't be allowed back as punishment for thinking a buckeye knew what he was doing!

bucket and winnie... your responses are great in theory. but if we fire everyone who has done something wrong, i'd be the only one left!

seriously though, we've done that and all we seem to get are more of the same. suprising really, with the number of jobs leaving michigan that we can't find good operators - oh wait, that's the problem. these people want to be paid as machinists. problem is they are nothing more than operators here because we are a production machine shop. we don't have a need for 30-40 machinists. so basically the ones with brains want more money and the ones without don't want to learn (or maybe aren't capable). i actually am agreeing with you guys on this. (and by the way, one of the operators on that job is in fact an immigrant so maybe they lose that will to work by the time they get this far north. actually he is a good worker and i doubt it is him but he is on 3rd shift and i know i had my nights were it was tough staying awake).

as far as the operators stamping around the machined features, this is a good idea but the operators barely have time to pack the parts before the machine is done running - literally. for example, it was taking too long to blow the chips off the parts so we strategically placed coolant lines around the spindle to wash out the chips from the parts as they run. so all they have to do is unload the parts and put in the basket.

i know you are all trying to help, and i do appreciate it. in fact your reasserting what i've been saying all along. please keep the thoughts coming.

i agree with both jim and chris. part of the problem is we are unable to narrow it down to a specific operator at the machine (the ones we have caught are gone). once the parts leave the shop, the tracebility is gone (tracking was set up by customer and won't allow us to change it). we've tried people straight off the street to guys that have been with us for 5 years and even had the quality manager all sort before shipping and still get the problem sporadically. this is why i believe some tomfoolery is going on. lets just say things aren't exactly cozy with our customer due to problems with payment for things on another part for them. they would have pulled the job relating to this thread but the end user is so happy with the product we are making (3 other machined shops couldn't accomplish it) that they won't allow our customer to pull out from us. i don't really get too involved with this end of it but i hear bits and pieces.

i've given them my .02 on why parts are still getting out. when they 100% inspect them at final audit, they visually look at every part in a layer. then they lift the entire layer at once and transfer to another box and repeat process for each layer. this is where i believe the chance for error comes in. the machining is relatively simple and doesn't require a lot of machining. when you look at layer after layer, eventually the parts blend together and could easily miss one. i believe the only way to ensure that each and every part is being looked at is to pull the parts one by one and inspect before transferring to another box. but management doesn't agree with me on this apparently because it will take too long.

please keep the comments and suggestions coming. eventually i will print this entire thread and hand it to the QC manager. maybe hearing this stuff from professionals in the industry will change their thinking.

jack.. aren't the bluejays still a major league baseball (mlb) team?

james...whats going on with williams? even you got to admit he shouldn't be allowed to play after hiring an agent. otherwise this will open a whole new can of worms for future problems. with him -yes a favorite, without him - still a contender but a little short. they lost more then most people realize. this makes LSU the team to beat i believe. but thats the beauty of college football - the games still have to be played on the field. i'm not looking all that forward to college football this year - going to be a long season for TY and the irish. until they get a big name coach (spurrier?), i see the irish as a .500 team at best. and everyone knows that is unacceptable!

i'm a little suprised by the breakdown, i thought MLB and college football would hold their own better than that.

+1 to corey. only my kids are 3 and 6. don't think i could keep providing the fun stuff if another kid comes along. thinking i'm gonna have to get the snip soon before it's too late.

p.s. congrats to you Ron!!!

peter..are you a shark or novice at pool. i used to play as well but on tuesday's.

franco...fantasy football is the best - i actually thought about this as an option but once again,i didn't want to get the list too long. i'm in a league with relatives for cash and usually try to find one or two for free on the net. i'm actually thinking about starting another league at work - the last couple of years the interest in FFL has been steadily increasing. heck,i'm such an addict i even got in an XFL fantasy league!!

this is close but what happens if the button is never pushed yet they come back and unload the parts. we're trying to tie into the hydraulic clamping so that once the parts are clamped they cannot be unclamped unless an M30 is read in the program. is there anyway to have a macro check and see if something is done before allowing the clamp to unclamp. or better yet, have the program unclamp the parts for you at an M30. that way if the operator opens the door and sees the parts unclamped,they know it has been ran.

thanks for the input,please keep it coming. it is very much appreciated and helpful.

yeah... eddie will be a nice complement to the explosiveness of my boy julius.

do you get into fantasy football at all? how about anyone else?

yes wally... i consider poker a sport.

trevor is that slow or fast pitch? i actually had that on the list but decided i had to cut some options - there was too many to choose.

Pete.... we are using Haas VF3's and i believe they do have macro capabilities. Is this the kind of stuff your company does or do you know of someone with this capability to help us out.

rekd.. i thought about putting female mud wrestling but didn't want to upset the female members of the forum (and if they are in to that sort of thing, then my bad ).

tim.... i think it did it automaticly. when i set it up, i checked the box that only allows the voter to make one selection (actually, i think it was the default choice).

sorry phil... since there won't be any NHL games next season with the lockout, i figured i'd exclude it.

which one of the following do you enjoy watching in your free time? (if you have any)

we use in-process check sheets as well as final inspection sheets before shipping them. we 100% inspect every layer of every box before it is shipped with 2 people looking at the parts in each layer before proceeding to the next layer and somehow they still get raw parts thru.

and yes, i would agree with buckethead. no matter how hard you try to idiot proof something, a smarter idiot comes along.

I see!! makes sense now!!

hey!!! don't change the subject. let's get back to the important stuff : Does anyone still have access to black label in bottles?

p.s. no i'm not from the UP. rather the west side of the state - muskegon. not sure where my grandfather picked up the habit from!

Is anyone using technology that prevents the machine from being unclamped unless the machine has cycled and an M30 has been "read"? we are already using a pressure switch tied into the cycle start button that prevents the machine from being cycled while unclamped. now we want to prevent the clamps from unclamping unless the M30 has ran.

long story short...we think we have a problem were the machines are being "started" but they are not actually cycling and when the operator comes back to that machine to load it, they don't realize that the parts are not ran (we do very little machining on the parts but still inexcuseable i know) and pack them in the done boxes. we also do a secondary sorting operation on these parts and the parts still are getting thru to the customer so my personal opinion is that something else is going on but we want to eliminate all potential issues causing this.

i'm sure there is a reason for this but why does the file extension change with each version?

you guys are forgetting the greatest beer of all time (at least until they quit selling it in bottles here in michigan.........

BLACK LABEL

man, i grew up on that stuff when i stayed at my grandparents. that was all my grandfather drank (with the help of his kids and grandkids) until they quit selling the bottled version here. anyone know of a place to get the bottled version shipped here? my grandfather would be eternally grateful!!!

i love beavis and butt-head. they are finally being reran on tv.

24 , 48, who cares as long as it's a hendricks car up front