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Flowline Leads Use Plunge Rate?


Jake L
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By Definition, you are manipulating the "Plunge and Retract" motion. Your only option is to use the Plunge and Retract Speeds (turn off "rapid retract", to save yourself the possibility of a Dog-leg Rapid Crash! This makes the final "retract" move a Feed move, at whatever Feedrate you specify in the Retract Feed data entry field.

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1 minute ago, Colin Gilchrist said:

By Definition, you are manipulating the "Plunge and Retract" motion. Your only option is to use the Plunge and Retract Speeds (turn off "rapid retract", to save yourself the possibility of a Dog-leg Rapid Crash! This makes the final "retract" move a Feed move, at whatever Feedrate you specify in the Retract Feed data entry field.

Thanks for the reply Colin. This is how I will setup this toolpath from now on.

 

New discovery, I'll probably throw a post on the official forum for this one. If you open the sample file and post the toolpath, the lead in (plunge) move will post with F500 (plunge rate):

image.png.40501f0972a6e84e5da272effd9426c3.png

 

Go back to the Mcam file and change the plunge rate to F44. and green check out of the parameters. Even with "Generate Toolpath" checked, changing this feed rate does not cause the toolpath to regenerate. If you post the toolpath again without regenerating, the F44 is used for the z plunge move, but the F500 is still used for the x "plunge" move:

image.png.e533aa434a4a87685ddd4be475ff9bad.png

 

Back in the MC file, regenerate the toolpath and repost and the F500 will disappear:

image.png.faf776a9f5a9af79fd0ab644863ed13e.png

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4 hours ago, Jake L said:

Thanks for the reply Colin. This is how I will setup this toolpath from now on.

 

New discovery, I'll probably throw a post on the official forum for this one. If you open the sample file and post the toolpath, the lead in (plunge) move will post with F500 (plunge rate):

image.png.40501f0972a6e84e5da272effd9426c3.png

 

Go back to the Mcam file and change the plunge rate to F44. and green check out of the parameters. Even with "Generate Toolpath" checked, changing this feed rate does not cause the toolpath to regenerate. If you post the toolpath again without regenerating, the F44 is used for the z plunge move, but the F500 is still used for the x "plunge" move:

image.png.e533aa434a4a87685ddd4be475ff9bad.png

 

Back in the MC file, regenerate the toolpath and repost and the F500 will disappear:

image.png.faf776a9f5a9af79fd0ab644863ed13e.png

Is the post defaulted to output F500. for retract moves with that specific toolpath or rapid moves?

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23 minutes ago, crazy^millman said:

Is the post defaulted to output F500. for retract moves with that specific toolpath or rapid moves?

Thanks for the reply. The post in the sample file is the default MPFAN.pst so I don't think so, but I don't know for sure.

It looks like the ghost number is solely based on whatever number was originally in the toolpath. For example, if you start with a plunge rate of F66 and regen the toolpath. Then change the plunge rate to any other number. The original number (in this case F66) will become the ghost number in the gcode. What I mean by "ghost number" is the feed rate that shows up in the gcode but no longer exists in the MC file. In my last post F500 was the "ghost number"

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I looked at the file and see this. Why?

image.png.5b29d0a37ff4f1f86ed28b6e2fe29200.png

I changed to 51 and 52 and posted and got this:

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O0000(T)
(DATE=DD-MM-YY - 08-05-23 TIME=HH:MM - 12:24)
(MCAM FILE - C:\USERS\RON\DOCUMENTS\MY MASTERCAM 2023\MASTERCAM\PARTS\FLOWLINE_LEADS_SAMPLE_MC2023.MCAM)
(NC FILE - C:\USERS\RON\DOCUMENTS\MY MASTERCAM 2023\MASTERCAM\MILL\NC\T.NC)
(MATERIAL - ALUMINUM INCH - 2024)
( T1 | 0.5 SPHERICAL / BALL-NOSED ENDMILL | H1 )
N100 G20
N110 G0 G17 G40 G49 G80 G90
( FINISH FILLET ON SIDE OF GIMBAL 1 )
N120 T1 M6
N130 G0 G90 G54 X-2.3 Y0. A0. S1000 M3
N140 G43 H1 Z1.
N150 Z.6
N160 G1 Z.5 F51.
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N2370 X-2. Y-1.
N2380 X0.
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N2400 G0 Z.6
N2410 Z1.
N2420 M5
N2430 G91 G28 Z0.
N2440 G28 X0. Y0. A0.
N2450 M30
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Just now, crazy^millman said:

I looked at the file and see this. Why?

image.png.5b29d0a37ff4f1f86ed28b6e2fe29200.png

That's just the number I used in the sample file. That number can be changed to any value and the "ghost number" issue persists. 

If you change that 500 that you're pointing to to say 66. Then regenerate the toolpath. Then go back in and change the 66 to say 45 (or any value) and green check. As long as you don't manually regenerate the toolpath, the gcode will post with a F66 AND a F45 even though 66 is no longer a value in any of the fields. 

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean? The 500 wasn't default in the "Plunge rate" field when I selected the operation. And as far as I know, 500 is not a default plunge rate in any of my files or tools. I have always used 100 as my default.

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11 minutes ago, crazy^millman said:

I looked at the file and see this. Why?

image.png.5b29d0a37ff4f1f86ed28b6e2fe29200.png

I changed to 51 and 52 and posted and got this:

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O0000(T)
(DATE=DD-MM-YY - 08-05-23 TIME=HH:MM - 12:24)
(MCAM FILE - C:\USERS\RON\DOCUMENTS\MY MASTERCAM 2023\MASTERCAM\PARTS\FLOWLINE_LEADS_SAMPLE_MC2023.MCAM)
(NC FILE - C:\USERS\RON\DOCUMENTS\MY MASTERCAM 2023\MASTERCAM\MILL\NC\T.NC)
(MATERIAL - ALUMINUM INCH - 2024)
( T1 | 0.5 SPHERICAL / BALL-NOSED ENDMILL | H1 )
N100 G20
N110 G0 G17 G40 G49 G80 G90
( FINISH FILLET ON SIDE OF GIMBAL 1 )
N120 T1 M6
N130 G0 G90 G54 X-2.3 Y0. A0. S1000 M3
N140 G43 H1 Z1.
N150 Z.6
N160 G1 Z.5 F51.
N170 X-2.
N180 X0. F35.
N190 X.009 Y-.0014
N200 X.016 Y-.0052
N210 X.021 Y-.0108
N220 X.024 Y-.0176
N230 X.025 Y-.025
N240 X.024 Y-.0324
N250 X.021 Y-.0392
N260 X.016 Y-.0448
N270 X.009 Y-.0486
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N380 X-2.009 Y-.0986
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N590 X-2.016 Y-.1948
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N620 X0.
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N2360 X-2.009 Y-.9986
N2370 X-2. Y-1.
N2380 X0.
N2390 X.3 F52.
N2400 G0 Z.6
N2410 Z1.
N2420 M5
N2430 G91 G28 Z0.
N2440 G28 X0. Y0. A0.
N2450 M30
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In order to get my code to look like that I have to select the operation and click the "Regenerate all selected operations" button at the top of the toolpath manager.

Did you do anything else between green checking out of the parameters and posting the operation? Now I'm just curious as to how you get a different output than me if we have the same file.

This is the code I get if I change to F51 and F52:

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O0000(GTGT)
(DATE=DD-MM-YY - 08-05-23 TIME=HH:MM - 15:40)
(MCAM FILE - C:\USERS\JAKELABRIE\DESKTOP\NEW FOLDER\FLOWLINE_LEADS_SAMPLE_MC2023.MCAM)
(NC FILE - C:\USERS\JAKELABRIE\DESKTOP\GTGT.NC)
(MATERIAL - ALUMINUM INCH - 2024)
( T1 | 0.5 SPHERICAL / BALL-NOSED ENDMILL | H1 )
N100 G20
N110 G0 G17 G40 G49 G80 G90
( FINISH FILLET ON SIDE OF GIMBAL 1 )
N120 T1 M6
N130 G0 G90 G54 X-2.3 Y0. A0. S1000 M3
N140 G43 H1 Z1.
N150 Z.6
N160 G1 Z.5 F51.
N170 X-2. F44.
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N380 X-2.009 Y-.0986
N390 X-2. Y-.1
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N440 X.024 Y-.1176
N450 X.025 Y-.125
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N480 X.016 Y-.1448
N490 X.009 Y-.1486
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N520 X-2.009 Y-.1514
N530 X-2.016 Y-.1552
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14 hours ago, crazy^millman said:

I always regenerate any operation after making any change.

That's the difference. I've developed a bad habit of relying on the automatic "Generate Toolpath" check box so most of the time I don't regenerate the operation after green checking out. I guess I need to work on breaking that habit.

Thanks for all the time you've spent on this Ron, I really appreciate it.

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37 minutes ago, Jake L said:

That's the difference. I've developed a bad habit of relying on the automatic "Generate Toolpath" check box so most of the time I don't regenerate the operation after green checking out. I guess I need to work on breaking that habit.

Thanks for all the time you've spent on this Ron, I really appreciate it.

Years of getting not what I expected has force this on me.

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