Makino D500 questions

[DavidB]

We have just taking arrival of our new Makino D500 5-axis machine.

 

2 Questions.

 

1. Whats the best way to take my 5-axis programms off our current Makino Horizontal 5-axis machine and repost them for the new Makino Vertical 5-axis machine?

Should I make a post for now that uses the front plane from the Horizontal machine to use Top for the Vertical?

 

 

2. The machine is a true 5-axis machine, fully spected up. This machine has everything you could get.

But I was supprized there is no G93 (Inverse feed) The sample 5-axis simultaneous programms that come from Japan are all in feed mm/min.

We have a Jappanese tech guy here for a week. I asked him about G93 and it just does not have it.

 

Example code:

code:

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 O1011(5X RU1 R5 BEM STOCK1.0 SLOT5PASS Rd4)

G90G00X0.Y0.A0.C0.

C25.5749

X-82.0129Y210.8639

A-86.097

Z200.

Z191.852

G01X-69.0923Y183.866Z189.8099

X-68.9688Y183.4066Z189.8153

X-68.8496Y182.9879Z189.8174

X-68.6708Y182.5905Z189.7921

X-68.4861Y182.1963Z189.7639

X-68.2457Y181.8328Z189.7088

X-67.9991Y181.4743Z189.6504

X-67.7025Y181.155Z189.5665

X-67.3987Y180.8437Z189.4784

X-67.0528Y180.5786Z189.3673

X-66.6985Y180.3267Z189.2509

X-66.0417Y179.984Z189.0199

X-65.9169Y179.9451Z188.9727

X-65.2591Y179.7396Z188.7243

X-65.078Y179.7179Z188.6516

X-64.4552Y179.6432Z188.4016

X-64.2114Y179.6598Z188.2981

X-63.6545Y179.6977Z188.0617

X-63.3515Y179.7776Z187.9257

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[Greg Williams]

Dave,

 

Are the axis combo's and machine kinematics the same? The vertical probably has A and C axis. The Horizontal has B and ?

 

Are you going to use TCP? If yes do you actually need to use Inverse feed? My experience is some machine do and some don't use inverse feed with TCP

[Joe788]

Dave, let's see some picture of that beauty!

[DavidB]

Greg I will start the 5-axis training tomorrow with the Jappanese tech guy.

We went through some basic TPC stuff but I thought that was more for on machining programming?

 

Joe here are some pics.

 

 

 

 

Greg G93 is not on the machine at all even the TPC programs are G94?

[DavidB]

Just went threw a TCP (G43.4) power point presentation.

[Greg Williams]

quote:

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Greg G93 is not on the machine at all even the TPC programs are G94?

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This is how most good machines work

[Joe788]

Wicked!

 

Man, that machine looks a lot bigger with people next to it.

 

I see an MMC system in the left side of that first picture. What machine/how many pallets is that one?

[Bruce Caulley]

Dave,

 

I would probably use the existing ops for the old programmes and hash it up into something completely new. Having dynamic compensation will change the way you go about things, so take advantage of it from the start.

 

IMO

 

Bruce

[DavidB]

quote:

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see an MMC system in the left side of that first picture. What machine/how many pallets is that one?

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The MMC is for our Makino A66 thats the 5-axis Horizontal. It has 6 pallets.

 

I have training today with the Jappanese tech guy on the 5-axis side. So hopefuly I learn all about this TPC (G43.4)

 

Is there a lot of work thats needs to be done to the Generic Fanuc 5-axis mill post to get it working with this machine?

 

Do you use G43.4 all the time, even with 3-axis and 3+2 programming?

 

 

Thanks Dave

[DavidB]

From what I can gather as it's hard to communicate with the Jappanese tech is that TPC is for 5-axis simultaneous work and TWP G68.2 (Tilted work plane)is for 3+2 and canned cycle work.

 

How hard is it to get the generic fanuc 5-axis mill post to out put G68.2 X.Y.Z.I.J.K. for 3+2 and G43.4 for 5-axis work?

 

I have contacted In-house re a post for the D500.

 

Thanks Dave

[SydwazShawn]

Hi Dave! We are looking @ getting a D500 or the Nmv5000. I thought I saw on the quote that G93 is an extra add on for the Makino. Anyway how many tools did you get, and did you get glass scales on you machine? I am interested on what you find out about the post. If we decide to get a D500 I will be in the same boat as you.

 

Thanks,Shawn

[DavidB]

Yes glass scales, Lazer tool tool setter, 60 tools HSK 63A, SGI.4, coolant cooler, oil coolers, air dryers, oil mist, coolant mist extraction. Our machine is fully optioned except no probe.

We had to buy a machine ASAP so we went with the best machine that the tool suppliers had in stock at the time.

 

The D500 seems a real beast and the C axis can be used as a turning axis.

The rotary motion is very very smooth. So far I'm really impressed with this machine. But hey we should be for the price tag!

[Greg Williams]

quote:

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How hard is it to get the generic fanuc 5-axis mill post to out put G68.2 X.Y.Z.I.J.K. for 3+2

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This is in the setup at the top of the post

 

 

quote:

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G43.4 for 5-axis work?

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If you need part coordinate output similar to the Okuma's then this is not possible with a Generic 5 axis post

[DavidB]

Greg I found this tonight at home. I'll check it out tomorrow at work.

 

quote:

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# Mapping conversion G code selection

sg69 : "G69" #Cancel conversion

sg68 : "G68" #Enable conversion

smap_mode : "" #Target string

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code:

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 pg68_map        #Map the first postion to the machine

if p_out | s_out,

[

#Rotate xabs back

xabs_s = vequ(xabs)

axisx$ = vequ(caxisx)

xabs_s = rotv(-p_vec_rot, xabs_s)

axisx$ = vequ(baxisx)

axisx$ = rotv(p_vec_rot, axisx$)

xabs_s = rotv(-s_vec_rot, xabs_s)

]

 

pg68 #Enable mapping mode

map_mode = one

#Primary mapping output

ivec = vequ(caxisx)

if p_out,

[

map_r = -p_out

pbld, n$, smap_mode, *map_x, *map_y, *map_z, *ivec, *jvec, *kvec, *map_r, e$

prv_map_mode = zero

]

#Secondary mapping output

ivec = vequ(baxisx)

if s_out,

[

map_r = -s_out

pbld, n$, smap_mode, *map_x, *map_y, *map_z, *ivec, *jvec, *kvec, *map_r, e$

]

if p_out | s_out, prv_map_mode = one

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How do you activate it in the post to use G68.2 instead of a rotary position?

 

Thanks Dave

[X-L Engineering Corp]

Whats the RPM on the "C" Axis?

[SydwazShawn]

It looks like on our quote the G93 is a Makino standard. Anyway we were trying to figure out if we needed the glass scales. We don’t do molds, just 3+2 mainly. Did you guys get the 20k spindle or the 14k? With the HSK I am assuming you have the 20k. You will have to post feedback on this machine as time goes on. Since it is so new not to many people have info on them yet. It is a Mikino though so I would imagine its going to be top notch!

 

 

Shawn.

[DavidB]

14k Spindle

[Mic6]

Any parts come off or new pics David?