this is a prog we are used to running(hand edited)note the 1st move is contained inside of the sub. % o0530 (HAYABUSA S OP2.NC) (HYABUSA SHIFTSIDE OP#2) (3pcs ON FIXTURES) (TOOL= 1, 0.500 dia. End Mill RGH ) (TOOL= 2, 0.500 dia. End Mill FIN) (TOOL= 3, 0.250 dia. SPOTDRILL ) G00 G90 G80 G40 G17 G49 T1 M06 (---0.500 DIA. END MILL---) (RGH OD +.01) M01 S6500 M03 G54 M97 P1000 / G55 M97 P1000 / G56 M97 P1000 / G57 M97 P1000 / G58 M97 P1000 / G59 M97 P1000 M09 G00 Z6. G54 X16. G00 G91 G28 Z0 Y0 T2 M06 M00 (REMOVE CHUNKS) G00 G90 G80 G40 G17 G49 G49 T2 M06 (---0.500 DIA. END MILL---) (FIN OD+POCKET) M01 S6500 M03 G54 M97 P2000 / G55 M97 P2000 / G56 M97 P2000 / G57 M97 P2000 / G58 M97 P2000 / G59 M97 P2000 M09 G49 T3 M06 (---0.250 DIA. SPOTDRILL---) (CHAMFERALL) M01 S7500 M03 G54 M97 P3000 / G55 M97 P3000 / G56 M97 P3000 / G57 M97 P3000 / G58 M97 P3000 / G59 M97 P3000 M09 G00 Z6. G54 X16. G00 G91 G28 Z0 Y0 M05 G49 T1 M06 M30 N1000 (---0.500 DIA. END MILL---) (RGH OD +.01) G00 X1.7071 Y0.3174 M08 G43 H01 Z1. Z0.05 G01 Z-0.59 F65. G41 D01 X1.7211 Y0.259 G03 X1.7436 Y0.2281 I0.0486 J0.0117 G01 X2.2314 Y-0.0707 G03 X2.2474 Y-0.0705 I0.0078 J0.0128 G01 X2.3326 Y-0.015 G02 X3.5328 Y-1.0392 I0.4492 J-0.689 G03 X4.4753 Y-2.2031 I0.7671 J-0.3424 G02 X4.0776 Y-3.601 I0.1718 J-0.8044 G03 X2.9748 Y-3.2801 I-0.8585 J-0.8948 G02 X2.4813 Y-3.2266 I-0.1621 J0.8064 G03 X1.2956 Y-3.5321 I-0.3988 J-0.9061 G02 X0.4076 Y-2.2446 I-0.6538 J0.499 G03 X0.8408 Y-1.9 I-0.2107 J0.7094 X0.8357 Y-1.8799 I-0.0131 J0.0074 X0.6062 Y-1.7861 I-0.3907 J-0.6285 G02 X0.4608 Y-1.3016 I0.0632 J0.283 G01 X1.6874 Y-0.0314 G02 X2.0847 Y0.0192 I0.2302 J-0.2223 G03 X2.1225 Y0.0132 I0.0261 J0.0426 G01 X2.1808 Y0.0272 G00 Z1. G40 X2.1808 Y0.0272 M99 N2000 (---0.500 DIA. END MILL---) (FIN OD+POCKET) G90 G00 X1.8724 Y0.2044 M08 G43 H02 Z1. Z0.05 G01 Z-0.58 F50. G41 D02 X1.8864 Y0.1461 G03 X1.9089 Y0.1151 I0.0486 J0.0117 G01 X2.2262 Y-0.0792 G03 X2.2529 Y-0.0789 I0.0131 J0.0213 G01 X2.338 Y-0.0234 G02 X3.5237 Y-1.0352 I0.4437 J-0.6806 G03 X4.4774 Y-2.2129 I0.7762 J-0.3464 G02 X4.0846 Y-3.5938 I0.1697 J-0.7946 G03 X2.9728 Y-3.2703 I-0.8654 J-0.902 G02 X2.4854 Y-3.2174 I-0.1601 J0.7966 G03 X1.2876 Y-3.526 I-0.4028 J-0.9153 G02 X0.4104 Y-2.2542 I-0.6459 J0.4929 G03 X0.8495 Y-1.9049 I-0.2135 J0.719 X0.8409 Y-1.8714 I-0.0218 J0.0123 X0.6084 Y-1.7763 I-0.396 J-0.637 G02 X0.468 Y-1.3086 I0.061 J0.2733 G01 X1.6946 Y-0.0384 G02 X2.0795 Y0.0106 I0.223 J-0.2153 G03 X2.1173 Y0.0046 I0.0261 J0.0426 G01 X2.1756 Y0.0187 G00 Z1. G40 X2.1756 Y0.0187 X1.9053 Y-1.096 Z0.05 G01 Z-0.58 G41 D02 X1.8195 Y-1.1475 F35. G03 X1.7991 Y-1.1638 I0.0515 J-0.0857 G01 X1.523 Y-1.4497 G03 X1.5226 Y-1.4534 I0.0022 J-0.0021 G02 X1.5681 Y-2.2497 I-0.6949 J-0.4392 G03 X1.5716 Y-2.2539 I0.0027 J-0.0013 G02 X2.054 Y-2.1859 I0.511 J-1.8788 G03 X2.0568 Y-2.184 I0. J0.003 G02 X2.353 Y-1.8074 I0.7559 J-0.2898 G03 X2.3456 Y-1.386 I-0.1437 J0.2083 G02 X2.0108 Y-0.9509 I0.4361 J0.682 G03 X2.0058 Y-0.9497 I-0.0029 J-0.0009 G01 X1.7297 Y-1.2357 G03 X1.7141 Y-1.2567 I0.0719 J-0.0695 G01 X1.6656 Y-1.3441 G00 Z1. G40 X1.6656 Y-1.3441 M99 N3000 (---0.250 DIA. SPOTDRILL---) (CHAMFERALL) G90 G00 X1.8975 Y-0.1048 M08 G43 H03 Z1. Z0.05 G01 Z-0.08 F50. G41 D03 X1.9451 Y-0.1413 G03 X1.9494 Y-0.1442 I0.0304 J0.0397 G01 X2.1217 Y-0.2498 G03 X2.3621 Y-0.2464 I0.1175 J0.1919 G01 X2.4472 Y-0.1909 G02 X3.3411 Y-0.9536 I0.3345 J-0.5131 G03 X4.5192 Y-2.4085 I0.9588 J-0.428 G02 X4.223 Y-3.4494 I0.1279 J-0.599 G03 X2.9334 Y-3.0742 I-1.0038 J-1.0463 G02 X2.5659 Y-3.0343 I-0.1207 J0.6005 G03 X1.1286 Y-3.4046 I-0.4834 J-1.0983 G02 X0.4674 Y-2.4459 I-0.4869 J0.3716 G03 X1.0235 Y-2.0035 I-0.2704 J0.9107 X0.9465 Y-1.7015 I-0.1958 J0.1109 X0.6519 Y-1.5811 I-0.5016 J-0.8068 G02 X0.6118 Y-1.4475 I0.0174 J0.0781 G01 X1.8384 Y-0.1773 G02 X1.975 Y-0.1599 I0.0791 J-0.0764 G01 X2.0006 Y-0.1756 G03 X2.0052 Y-0.1781 I0.0261 J0.0426 G01 X2.0594 Y-0.2039 G00 Z1. G40 X2.0594 Y-0.2039 X1.6933 Y-0.9992 Z0.05 G01 Z-0.08 G41 D03 X1.6473 Y-1.0377 G03 X1.6435 Y-1.0413 I0.0321 J-0.0383 G01 X1.3812 Y-1.3129 G03 X1.3561 Y-1.5587 I0.1439 J-0.1389 G02 X1.3907 Y-2.1641 I-0.5283 J-0.3339 G03 X1.6233 Y-2.444 I0.1801 J-0.0869 G02 X2.0569 Y-2.3829 I0.4593 J-1.6887 G03 X2.2407 Y-2.2545 I-0.0029 J0.2 G02 X2.4649 Y-1.9695 I0.5719 J-0.2192 G03 X2.4518 Y-1.22 I-0.2555 J0.3704 G02 X2.1984 Y-0.8908 I0.33 J0.516 G03 X1.8641 Y-0.8129 I-0.1905 J-0.061 G01 X1.6018 Y-1.0845 G03 X1.5984 Y-1.0884 I0.036 J-0.0347 G01 X1.5615 Y-1.1357 G00 Z1. G40 X1.5615 Y-1.1357 G98 G82 X1.0193 Y-1.3566 Z-0.11 R0.05 P0.2 X1.8529 Y-0.4934 G80 G00 Z1. M99 %

here is a complete short prog.you can see the speed drops at the end of the last sub but it never picks up when it goes to the next sub. % O0524 (PROGRAM NAME - KAWASAKI ZX6 2003 SHIFTSIDE OP2.NC) (DATE - APR-15-98 TIME - 19:41) (T1 | 1/2 FLAT ENDMILL | H1 | D1 | D0.5000" | | CONTOUR....) (T2 | 1/2 FLAT ENDMILL | H2 | D2 | D0.5000" | | CONTOUR....) (T3 | 1/4 CHAMFER MILL | H3 | D3 | D0.2500" | | CONTOUR....) (OVERALL MAX | Z2.) (OVERALL MIN | Z-.585) G00 G40 G49 G80 G90 T1 M06 ( 1/2 FLAT ENDMILL) (MAX | Z2.) (MIN | Z-.4) G00 G90 G54 X-.3542 Y-2.7276 S6500 M03 G43 H1 Z2. M08 M97 P0001 G00 G90 G55 X-.3542 Y-2.7276 M98 P0001 M05 G91 G28 Z0. M09 M01 T2 M06 ( 1/2 FLAT ENDMILL) (MAX | Z2.) (MIN | Z-.585) G00 G90 G54 X-.209 Y-2.6825 S7500 M03 G43 H2 Z2. M08 M97 P0002 G00 G90 G55 X-.209 Y-2.6825 M98 P0002 M05 G91 G28 Z0. M09 M01 T3 M06 ( 1/4 CHAMFER MILL) (MAX | Z2.) (MIN | Z-.11) G00 G90 G54 X-.0389 Y-2.8175 S7250 M03 G43 H3 Z2. M08 M97 P0003 G00 G90 G55 X-.0389 Y-2.8175 M98 P0003 M05 G91 G28 Z0. G90 M30 O0001 ( 1/2 FLAT ENDMILL - CONTOUR) G00 G90 X-.3542 Y-2.7276 Z2. Z.1 G01 Z-.4 F65. G41 D1 X-.0741 Y-2.6203 G03 X-.0694 Y-2.618 I-.0107 J.028 G01 X.6878 Y-2.1639 X1.4449 Y-1.7098 G02 X1.8418 Y-1.7642 I.1646 J-.2744 X1.8733 Y-1.8048 I-.1887 J-.1788 G01 X1.903 Y-1.8521 X2.3929 Y-1.8108 X4.9514 Y-.298 G03 X4.9582 Y-.2893 I-.0076 J.0129 G02 X5.5402 Y-1.2192 I.7057 J-.2055 G03 X5.5294 Y-1.2215 I-.0025 J-.0148 G01 X3.7479 Y-2.402 G03 X3.8706 Y-2.8419 I.1326 J-.2001 G01 X6.1378 Y-2.9351 G03 X6.1483 Y-2.9314 I.0006 J.015 G02 X6.1324 Y-4.0277 I.4816 J-.5553 G03 X6.1221 Y-4.0238 I-.0102 J-.011 G01 X1.5248 Y-4.069 G03 X1.516 Y-4.0719 I.0001 J-.015 G02 X.1855 Y-3.3306 I-.4985 J.6698 G03 X.1823 Y-3.32 I-.0149 J.0013 X-.0547 Y-3.1236 I-.5803 J-.4592 G02 X-.0694 Y-2.618 I.1345 J.2569 G03 X-.0651 Y-2.6149 I-.0154 J.0257 G40 G01 X-.0198 Y-2.5756 G00 Z2. M99 O0002 ( 1/2 FLAT ENDMILL - CONTOUR) G00 G90 X-.209 Y-2.6825 Z2. Z.1 G01 Z-.585 F50. G41 D2 X-.0689 Y-2.6289 G03 X-.0642 Y-2.6266 I-.0107 J.028 G01 X.6929 Y-2.1725 X1.4501 Y-1.7184 G02 X1.8345 Y-1.771 I.1594 J-.2659 X1.8648 Y-1.8101 I-.1815 J-.172 G01 X1.8977 Y-1.8626 X2.396 Y-1.8206 X4.9565 Y-.3066 G03 X4.9678 Y-.2921 I-.0127 J.0215 G02 X5.5419 Y-1.2094 I.6961 J-.2027 G03 X5.5239 Y-1.2132 I-.0042 J-.0246 G01 X3.7424 Y-2.3937 G03 X3.8702 Y-2.8519 I.1381 J-.2084 G01 X6.1374 Y-2.9451 G03 X6.1548 Y-2.939 I.001 J.025 G02 X6.1391 Y-4.0204 I.475 J-.5477 G03 X6.122 Y-4.0138 I-.0169 J-.0184 G01 X1.5247 Y-4.059 G03 X1.51 Y-4.0639 I.0002 J-.025 G02 X.1955 Y-3.3314 I-.4926 J.6618 G03 X.1902 Y-3.3138 I-.0249 J.0021 X-.0501 Y-3.1148 I-.5881 J-.4654 G02 X-.0642 Y-2.6266 I.1299 J.2481 G01 X-.0557 Y-2.6214 G03 X-.0514 Y-2.6184 I-.0154 J.0257 G40 G01 X-.0061 Y-2.579 G00 Z2. M99 O0003 ( 1/4 CHAMFER MILL - CONTOUR) G00 G90 X-.0389 Y-2.8175 Z2. Z.1 G01 Z-.06 F30. G41 D3 X.0311 Y-2.7907 G03 X.0335 Y-2.7895 I-.0054 J.014 G01 X.7906 Y-2.3354 X1.5478 Y-1.8814 G02 X1.6966 Y-1.9017 I.0617 J-.1029 X1.7039 Y-1.9111 I-.0436 J-.0413 G01 X1.7441 Y-1.9752 G03 X1.9131 Y-2.0519 I.1531 J.1125 G01 X2.4553 Y-2.0063 X5.0532 Y-.4701 G03 X5.1502 Y-.3452 I-.1094 J.1851 G02 X5.5739 Y-1.0221 I.5137 J-.1496 G03 X5.4189 Y-1.0548 I-.0362 J-.2119 G01 X3.6374 Y-2.2353 G03 X3.8624 Y-3.0417 I.2431 J-.3668 G01 X6.1296 Y-3.1349 G03 X6.2793 Y-3.0825 I.0088 J.2148 G02 X6.2677 Y-3.8805 I.3505 J-.4042 G03 X6.1201 Y-3.8238 I-.1455 J-.1583 G01 X1.5228 Y-3.869 G03 X1.3966 Y-3.9115 I.0021 J-.215 G02 X.3848 Y-3.3477 I-.3791 J.5094 G03 X.3392 Y-3.1959 I-.2142 J.0184 X.038 Y-2.9464 I-.7371 J-.5833 G02 X.0335 Y-2.7895 I.0417 J.0797 G01 X.0421 Y-2.7844 G03 X.0442 Y-2.7828 I-.0077 J.0129 G40 G01 X.0668 Y-2.7632 G00 Z.25 X2.0752 Y-2.8308 Z.1 G01 Z-.06 F30. G41 D3 X2.005 Y-2.8574 G03 X2.0027 Y-2.8585 I.0053 J-.014 G01 X1.8174 Y-2.9685 G03 X1.7852 Y-3.07 I.0408 J-.0688 G02 X1.8514 Y-3.307 I-.7623 J-.3408 G03 X1.9317 Y-3.377 I.0794 J.01 G01 X3.1296 Y-3.363 G03 X3.1883 Y-3.2296 I-.0009 J.08 G02 X2.9639 Y-2.4415 I.6962 J.6241 G03 X2.8443 Y-2.3587 I-.0788 J.014 G01 X2.0027 Y-2.8585 X1.9941 Y-2.8636 G03 X1.9919 Y-2.8651 I.0077 J-.0129 G40 G01 X1.9692 Y-2.8847 G00 Z2. X.4574 Y-2.8188 S6500 M09 Z.1 G99 G81 Z-.11 R.1 F12. X1.4849 Y-2.1989 G80 G00 Z.1 G00 Z2. M99 %

thanks millman like i said earlier im just fooling around with this today because ive got some free time. mc ver 9 service pack 2 im using the mpsubrep post from the mc site and im posting at the moment for a haas vf3 my dealer is prism eng and no one is there this weekend. if the speed drops for one of the last ops in the sub,it never picks up again because it never calls the original speed again. here is a small segment of the posted code. T2 M06 ( 1/2 FLAT ENDMILL) (MAX | Z2.) (i dont want these 2 lines ) (MIN | Z-.585) (either) G00 G90 G54 X-.209 Y-2.6825 S7500 M03 G43 H2 Z2. M08 M97 P0002 G00 G90 G55 X-.209 Y-2.6825 (needs speed again) M98 P0002 M05 G91 G28 Z0. M09 M01

just saw another small problem.if i change the speed within the sub for a different operation it will stay at that speed because the original speed was up at the toolcall.can i somehow force the original speed at the top of the sub?

thanks guys! i played with the mcsubrep (sp)post and got some very good results! now im just wondering if i could somehow get that 1st positoning move within the sub instead of at the g54-55-56etc line that calls the sub. again thanks for the input!

just as always i searched AFTER i asked.i found lots of info and will try it now.thanks for all of the input.

im also trying this post to see if it will work for me but havent found any documentation on how to use it.. this was taken directly off the mc post site. " Mastercam V8 or V9 in combination with a newer V8 or V9 post has imbedded subprogram support for depth cuts, and toolpath transformations. This post is however specifically used to efficiently program multiple identical parts using subprograms and incrementing Work Coordinate System values (G54, G55, G56, etc.). Click here to view sample output. Program a part once, and specify the number of required repetitions under Misc Values." im using the post they say to use but im not getting the subs to output at all. i assume you dont use transform at all with this.i tried selecting all the ops and editing common params misc values to a number greater than one. anyone else using this?

thanks.i really just came in to fool around with this today.millman -it will only let me select one or the other not both.do you have an example? thanks

hi all ,havent been around much lately. i have a spotdrill that performs several different operations(spots,chamfers). when i post using subs it will it will do all of the chamfering on all of the parts then go back and do all of the spotting.this gets even longer when i handle my chamfers in different ways(it will do each one and then move to the next part,and produces lots of wasted motion.i would like to perform everything that the spotdrill is programmed to do before moving to the next part. is there a way of somehow grouping all of the operations performed by this tool before the translate?

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is there a way to get the 1st xy pos move inside the sub?

we just moved our shop and my account will be down for some time.i have only been accesing this site on my 2nd jobs computer ,i currently have no email account.does that mean im OUT

its based on the Fanuc 18iTB but it has many other features added by the manufacturer.its a nakamura tome super ntj.we are looking at some new software now to control it. quoted from the machine builders site below Original 2-path control based on Fanuc 18iTB enables machine capability to be maximized and efficient machine control is realized. Multi-Tasking 9-axis Machine with simultaneous 4+4-axis control.

what i mean is......can i delete all of the feedrates and just put one at the desired rate on the 1st c move?

opps sorry its c x im milling in. almost every line has a feedrate.im using g112.if i alter these feedrates will the profile change?

i did my 1st attemp at milling on a c axis lathe the other day.it worked ok but the contour was kinda choppy.i think i can resolve that one though.im milling with c and y. my question is that the z feedrate seems normal but once it starts contouring the feedrates(output by mc) are incredibly high on the caxis moves even though the tool is going round the part too slow. how do i increase the feed at which it contours the part? will i have to change it in mc and repost it?this machine is a pia and ive got to cut and paste parts of different programs together. TIA

thanks for the replies! yes i have to run 2 seperate toolpaths.that seems to be where the trouble is.i cant use the same tpath on each.although they may be running the same exact part g54.1 would use sub # n0001 and g54.2 would use n0002.now take about 20 different toolpaths and transform rotate them around all 4 sides.i cant seem to get it to work but maybe im beating a dead horse.

im having trouble getting mc to post properly when using subs on parts with different xy zero points.the vices are double lock and the movable jaw draws towards the center from the outside.the center jaw is fixed so on some critical parts the xy zero has to be at the fixed jaw.that means the top pc xy zero is at the lower left and the lower pcs xy zero is at the top left.this is all fed into an offsett file used by our cell controller and called up every time the job is run on this "fixture" so somehow i would like to get it right.anyone else doing this? i can get it to post fine if i keep the xy zeros in the same location.

what do you guys prefer for the coordinate direction on the subspindle?on my machine(maybe all?)everything to the left towards the main is z- direction.that means that drilling or turning on the sub would be heading in a + direction. right now im using mirror image to keep all z directions - into the part but its a pain on this machine if you interupt it in the middle of the program.youve got to mdi out of mirror image.

thanks guys ill get it to work somehow rekd.......things are working well with mc.the makino horizontal cell controller programs need to be posted a little differently than i had thought before it hit the shop floor.weve got it running and getting better at it everyday. keith ......ill try conventional milling.and our rep is prism engineering. i do use wait codes.

quote: 3 guys came down to train me on it.the 1st 2 were learning themselves as we attemted what i ment was that the 1st guy didnt know the machine enough to get the 1st job running properly so they sent a second who knew less of the machine than the 1st.after about a month of the machine still not making parts(we had to wait for some special parts too like an ejector for the subspindle) they sent the japnese guy from nokamura tome.its running now but i sure dont want to program it all at the control by hand the way this program is running. harryman i am clamping the c axis as i mill,

thanks guys.that picture is the beast im workin with.the tang drive is sloppy and actually sounds like the bearings are shot as it runs.(but they are not and brand new). the upper rotating turret can lock down on any angle so i dont need lots of angled holders(rotating)one spotdrill can spot all of the holes at any angle.i can also rotate the coordinate system at any angle to machine any angle as a flat.it can do 4 axis siultanious on each spindle at the same time.its a beautiful machine but i just wish i could get a better finish milling with the side of an endmill. our mastercam reseller told us that this machine is out of the question for mc.i know it can handle a lot of it but the rotating b axis is the tough one.i really dont have the time or patience to learn another new software(remember i was all smartcam up till last year)im pretty good with mc now and would love to use it on this machine but i dont want to do it all as cut and paste to get a program together. we did get rid of the 2 first people training us on the machine.thats why they sent the japanese guy.

quote: Regarding the slop in the engagement. There has to be a certain amount of free play with the live tooling otherwise the bearings would wear very quickly, If using the live tooling for 10 minutes for drilling, tapping, profiling, etc! a fair bit of friction would occur within these small units and they would not last very well. the heads are very tight and ive got speeders too.what seems to be sloppy is the engagement of the tang and the driver in the turret.

thanks guys.this is actually the 1st job run in this machine.it has a rotating upper turret(91 deg in either direction)mc cannot control this rotating B axis .and im forced to look at some other cam systems (just for this one machine)if i want to program it off of the machine control. 3 guys came down to train me on it.the 1st 2 were learning themselves as we attemted the 1st jobs and we could not accept this as the training that was promised with the purchase.the 3rd was a japnese fellow who was actually a very nice guy and knew the machine well but did all of the programming by hand at the control with a calculator.none of the 3 were familiar with cam systems at all.if we are gonna get much production out of this machine ive got to be able to program it on a pc. the contouring i am doing on it is just very straightforward lines and arcs.no surfacing. i was just wondering why i cant get that smooth as glass finish im used to on a mill.

ive noticed there were a lot of mc users on the forum and was just wondering if any were regulars here. PIRATE 4X4 is a 4 wheel drive rockcrawling site. [ 02-24-2004, 12:17 AM: Message edited by: cherokeechief79 ]