quote: I can't comment on what's in development. R u part of the men in black? Secret page!

It's in your post output. I never have had to change it. I'm syre someone will help you out shortly.

quote: Shawn you get the Cublex-63 and this programmer might travel. Very nice machine. Get the 40 pallet with the 380 tool changer of course I see that running out very quick. James are they talking about expanding that tool changer to something like 520 or even 760??? Sorry, already signed for the Makino D500 with 12 pallets. But who knows! If we get work that requires turning and a bigger machine... Well we will just see!

I think the new 63v will be 1800rpm! With 120 degrees in A axis!

quote: It's only a problem with the older ones. I love the two ss machines we have. Very INaccurate and fast enough for me Fissed!

quote: I wonder with that limited Z stroke on the Makino if... never mind. You want to settle for 2nd best, that's cool. quote:Well considering the big discount they had to give us because it's a lesser machine... There, fissed. Ok,ok you win! For some reason I'm thinking the programmer is going to be the weak link and not the machine! Maybe we will just have a 400 mm Makino cell, and the new 63v 500mm cubeplex cell in 2010!

quote: Lintol is an APT statement short for Linearization tolerance. Thanks for the explanation MLS! It's all staring to make sense. This is what the Makino guy said in so many ways. I just didn't understand it. I get thrown off with all the names for things. I need a dictionary for machine verbiage. quote: an application like CAMplete. U funny guy! I wonder if CAMplete can add an extra 10 degrees to your A axis? quote: Makino footing the bill for that post Shawn? They SHOULD!!! I'm guessing you're going to be into it for around 10k Well considering the big discount they gave us, the 10k will be chump change!

I would say on a machine like that, we would use a G13 @ F15. s7500. Thats for a 38 e.m. If its a small hole you need to go slower on the feed.

I actually talked to a guy that has a D500 in there shop running ICAM. For a second I thought maybe you were him because they are in Wichita. He said it took a while but they have a nice post from ICAM. I just needed to figure out what everything means so I can give them my own specifications of how I want the post. I had Makino look over the post specification form and they ended up filling it out for me today actually. Now I can get a formal quote from ICAM. I'm thinking fun will be an understatement. It will be my baby, along with the 12 pallet stacker to boot! P.S. What is Lintol? Line tolerance??

It is a Makino D500. The Makino guy said that it likes alot of point/vectors. It's alot smoother he said! He said it takes alot of processor speed to read it, but Makino can handle it.

quote: I don't know what a Vericut post costs, but ICAM will hurt you.. good stuff, but definitely on the pricy end Didn't know Vericut made posts? I think Vericut simulation was almost double the price then ICAM, and thats with the ICAM post and verification.

P.S I know your name is James! It sounded like Kyle was talking to me again about the cons! lol!

Not sure if it makes a differance, but on setting #85 what is it set @? ours is .002

We have one of the first generation Haas's 1993(AKA Luner Lander)! It still has no problem doing holes like you speak of. Maybe the ball screws are shot in that particular machine. The bad thing about the old Haas machines, is they really cant read ahead and process code very fast. They get real jurkey if you push them.

quote: Yeah she may not be as sexy as the "new kid on the block" but she's got the kinks worked out unlike "the new kid on the block". I know, I know Matsuura is a bad xxxx machine. There were differences that favored the Makino IMO, but the limited amount of machines built is definitely a strike against Makino. But hey, I like my girls sexy and edgy, with easy access!!

quote: Those and Mikron. SHould have got one of those instead of a machine that there's only like 1 or 2 in the US. Thanks for your input Kyle! quote: true it is not cheap, But then again ICAM is not a give away either about half as much with a post! quote: THAT'S AN understatement, ESPECIALLY when you buy a machine where there are only a SMALL handful AT MOST on the CONTINENT! I know this is you Kyle! Selway should just sell Mikino know and dump the Matsuura's! Their's a new kid on the block! Actually I take that back, Kyle is a good friend and I dont want to start talking crap!

quote: My experience was that running simulations for 5-axis was a waste of time because the posted program was completely different than the simulation. With the trunnion there are two ways to get to any particular orientation and the simulation and actual programs rarely agreed. I had to break down and buy Predator Software which I do not recommend. I totally agree! I dont even use Machine Sim for my Haas. I just use 5% rapid and a fast feed hold!

Chris, I have one for our VF-3 w/210 trinnion.

quote: CAMplete does this. Doesn't CAMplete only really support Matsuura, and Robo drill? quote: So does VericutI checked into Vericut! Way to expensive for us.

Thanks Ron. I think we are going to use ICAM for our post and simulation. I just wanted to make sure I tell them everything I need to have in the post and understand myself what the heck they are asking for. I don’t have the machine till January so it’s hard for me to understand exactly what I am doing without playing with the machine. Shawn.

quote: What about (G68.2,G53.1)? Do you usually use these in 3+2 machining? Also this machine has 3-dementional cutter comp(G41.4,G42.4). Does the post take care of all this stuff if set up correctly? Actually what I meant was when you do 3+2 machining (index then machine), is that when the G68.2, and G53.1 take effect? Also when using 3-dementional cutter comp, is this really just for swarf type toolpaths, or is it always commanded on for any full simultaneous 5ax toolpath?

Hi Bruce, thanks for the reply! What about (G68.2,G53.1)? Do you usually use these in 3+2 machining? Also this machine has 3-dementional cutter comp(G41.4,G42.4). Does the post take care of all this stuff if set up correctly? Shawn.

I ‘am trying to figure out what is exactly needed to use TCP (G43.4) in Mastercam. I had read a few post about it and asked a few questions but still need help. What programming differences do I need to do, compared to programming a HAAS trinnion with inverse time? I contacted Makino and below is what he had to say! "I believe mastercam will work relative to toolpath generation....concern I would have is getting the proper post processor output from mastercam if Shields wants to utilize tool center point control style programming...which is something we would recommend for rotary axis contouring type motion on this machine. If just 2+3 style machininig...conventional 5x programming setup with DFO can be utilized...which I would think mastercam can handle easily. So it is more than just the cam software...it comes down to post processing and 5x functions the customer wants to utilize to drive the Makino D500. I would see if mastercam can post process for tool center point control (G43.4) style programming for the machine described above? I can answer more questions as they come up. Keep in touch." We are thinking of having ICAM do a post and simulator for this machine. I am assuming they can get a post done that can fill these requirements that the machine needs. I guess I do not understand how I am supposed to program Mastercam to use G43.4! Is it all in the post? Thanks for any help! I’m pretty new to this 5axis stuff, so I will be asking a lot of questions down the road. Shawn…

quote: I think the rapid moves in the video were for show. Sure it looks cool, yet I don't see a time advantage over rapiding to a safe z height then repositioning the x,y,a & c axis. Well I don’t see any point in having a expensive machine, if it can’t look cool while running! You’re probably correct though. This machine is fast enough on the rapids as well as the acceleration / deceleration rates, to were it probably would not save you a lot hovering the part like that.

quote: I think the vid looks cool but I would not machine 3+2 parts using RTCP The issue with using RTCP is that the Drill cycles will not work. Could you just have the post turn off TCP during drill cycles, or all 3+2 opps? I think that is what David B is trying to do with his post. I think we may end up going with ICAM on the post & simulation. I think the best thing for me to do is talk to the Makino guys about how I should properly program and set the post up, then give that info to the post guys. Really most of the things I read about 5 axis programming, I don’t fully understand initially. After running our HAAS trinnion for the last four months I find myself understanding the verbage a lot more. Once I have the machine I’m sure a hands on visual will bring all this info together in my brain. I connect the dots a lot easier by hands on, then I do reading.