world trade center!!!!!!!

[Multax]

An open letter to ALL Peace Loving and Law-Abiding Muslims that live in the USA.

What do you think law-abiding and peace loving Muslims that have immigrated to the USA can do to assist law-enforcement in the identification, penetration, and capture of ALL remaining MUSLIM terrorist cells and their members that remain in the USA? REMEMBER, we have Muslims that live in and visit the USA that HATE America, Americans, and Americanism. This subgroup of the Muslim population that resides in the USA contribute MONEY, JOBS, REFUGE, and other resources that aide and abet these sub-human MONSTERS of MALEVOLENCE in their present and perhaps future terrorist activities.

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[Kenneth Potter]

Multax

Good call on that one Dude!

Kenneth Potter

[Charles Davis]

Jakob,

1. I don't think the terrorist are cowards, just evil and inhuman.

2. We used cruise missiles to avoid our own casualties.

If that's your beef, don't worry, we'll root these xxxx out by hand, like we did in the Pacific during WWII.

3. We have avoided paying fees to the UN because we totally disagree with its policies, those set by a very radical group of countries, many of the same who support these terrorist.

Take, for example, having the Sudan and others vote the U.S. off the civil rights commission!

We can take the insult; just don't ask us to pick up the tab to be insulted.

4. We ditched Kyoto because it was a totally flawed and bogus treaty, and you know that.

It expected us to shoulder much of the burden for cleaning up greenhouse gases but exempted China and others that are far worse polluters on a per capita basis.

Besides, did ANY other country ratify that treaty?

That doesn't mean we are pro-pollution; just realistic and more analytical about the cost/benefit.

Don't forget that BAD policies that SOUND good do more harm to humanity that GOOD policies that don't sound policially correct.

 

WAKE UP; if terrorism is not defeated now, in 3-5 years you'll have Nuclear devices going off in NY, Chicago, London, Toronto, Berlin, London, and more.

What will that do for the environment? What will that do to your family? Those radioactive clouds drift far and wide, and NONE of you are safe; not in your homes, and certainly not flying, until this cancer is demolished.

AFTER THAT, we do need to work with other countries to undo what causes all this hatred in the first place.

Perhaps YOUR country will wish to donate Billions of dollars to a fund to provide food, clothing, education and employment opportunities to those desperate people living in poor middle eastern countries.

[Rekd™]

[ 09-16-2001: Message edited by: Rekd ]

[cadcam]

Well here is one of the new designs of the WTC.

The terrorest should like this one.

[Guest CNC Apps Guy 1]

Jay,

Nice building! I hear there is talk of rebuilding the WTC. They should build the tallest building in the world.

To those who say "Your arrogance has allowed this tragedy to happen", I say you're wrong, our decision to be allied with the nation of Israel is probably the largest contributor. When we (Israel and the US) decided to give the proverbial finger to the B.S. United Nations Conference on Racism, Omsama Bin Laden pretty much said we(Isreal and US) must go down and we will be taught a lesson. That "Convention" as they call it was nothing more than publicly laying into the Jews for taking back what was rightfully theirs in the first place. That land was promised to them back in the days of Moses and has been conquered by the enemies of God, then taken back, then lost again, and taken back again. This has happened a number of times over the course of history. Until 1948 the Jews had not had their homeland in their posession since about 79 A.D. when Titus came and destroyed the Temple. Where the temple once stood, today there is a Mosque ajacent to it, and to this day, the Muslims will not allow more than a few Jews up on the top of the Mount at the same time.

The UN is nothing but pretty much a bunch of Third World nimrods trying to stick it to the successful industrialized nations of this world that are better off than they are. The UN needs to be disbanded, the building (That is on QUITE expensive property by the way) sold and the proceeds go to rebuilding the WTC. The nations that desire to have dialog with each other will, and those that don't will not. I'm not an isolationist I just think that the UN has been nothing but a big waste of time for the last 10 years or so and should be done away with.

[JAKOB JAKOBSEN]

charles davis

>1. I don't think the terrorist are cowards, just evil and inhuman.<

I agree !! But are they only evel and inhumane, when they strike USA ?? When Bin Laden was agenst the USSR in Afganistan it was whit US fondings. whay ??

>2. We used cruise missiles to avoid our own casualties.<

I know, And thats not ny beef, But if they are so accurate, one shoud be sufficient not 70. That is the way to creating a martyr, and thats what i´m afried you wil do in a strike back, blow it out of proporsion and attacking a suveren contry, witch PERHAPS is housing him??

>If that's your beef, don't worry, we'll root these xxxx out by hand, like we did in the Pacific during WWII<

With help from severel other countryes, remember that, you dit not win WWII single handed...

>3. We have avoided paying fees to the UN because we totally disagree with its policies, those set by a very radical group of countries, many of the same who support these terrorist.<

That it the most lame i have heard longe,

That is the same as saying i wil not pay taxe, because the goverment´s politik is not my politik, But. Sorry to say typicat US policy, "if its not good for US it´s crap"

>Take, for example, having the Sudan and others vote the U.S. off the civil rights commission!<

Sudan is a member like the U.N. like or not, but that is demorkratic to the extend. we can not make special democratik rules for the U.S. can we??

>We can take the insult; just don't ask us to pick up the tab to be insulted.<

does the U.N. insult you ?? are you not a member?? Then quit nobody are interested in a member, that will boss everybody around without paying the ammount, every other contry is paying and are glad to do...

>4. We ditched Kyoto because it was a totally flawed and bogus treaty, and you know that.<

How can redoucing the co2 be flawed and bogus, what is bogus, is that a contry can baye the rights to pollute more, As the U.S. forced throug..

>It expected us to shoulder much of the burden for cleaning up greenhouse gases but exempted China and others that are far worse polluters on a per capita basis.<

The U.S. stands for 40% of the co2 relised into the air. That is not good for the world but it aperently goodenought for the U.S. that woht have been forced to reduse, but as allways U.S. runs from all agreements that is not good for U.S. and leve it to outers.

>Besides, did ANY other country ratify that treaty?<

To use a U.S. saying " whay shout we, the U.S will not and the U.S. is the biggest poluter"

>That doesn't mean we are pro-pollution; just realistic and more analytical about the cost/benefit.<

Exsagley the cost is too high, to make the world a better place. Hwo will start?? the biggest economy and the biggest polluter in the world..NO..!!

>Don't forget that BAD policies that SOUND good do more harm to humanity that GOOD policies that don't sound policially correct.<

You will have to explain that??

 

>WAKE UP; if terrorism is not defeated now, in 3-5 years you'll have Nuclear devices going off in NY, Chicago, London, Toronto, Berlin, London, and more.<

I agree..

What will that do for the environment? What will that do to your family? Those radioactive clouds drift far and wide, and NONE of you are safe; not in your homes, and certainly not flying, until this cancer is demolished.

I agree agen, but whay not get rit off all atomic weapons and reactors. That will be the best solutinon for the invironment and it will make it inpossible for terrorist to get any bombes, and don´t say they will build them self.

>AFTER THAT, we do need to work with other countries to undo what causes all this hatred in the first place.<

Yahoo that is the best i have heard longe, expecilly from a Americane.

>Perhaps YOUR country will wish to donate Billions of dollars to a fund to provide food, clothing, education and employment opportunities to those desperate people living in poor middle eastern countries.<

We are allreadey doing that. We pays over 3% of our BNP. As it is decided in the UN. signed by the US. to thouse less fortunal.

do U.S do that or is that to cousely??

Just a single quistian more, whay does the U.S runs from the agreement not to make a missileshild. is that too coustley to NOT make???

Can´t you see that is the way, to make your self a target, becouse you do it regardless to all the contrys that is asking you not to. But if any other contry is trying to do somthing simuler they are targets for economel sansions and trade boycot, forced by USA.

best regards

Jakob Jakobsen

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[Kenneth Potter]

Hey webby!!!!!

Whats the record for the longest running topic

 

Its getting real heated up in here.

Kenneth Potter

[Charles Davis]

Jakob,

1. I think the worst mistake the US has made has not been to be more even handed about human rights. We need to say that Muslim lives are just as important to us as others. I think we believe that (see: Bosnia) we just don't say it loud or often enough.

2. As far as fees to the UN; we are a republic, not a dictatorship. We have our own internal political factions, many of whom take great offense to some UN policies and act accordingly.

3. If we thought we could eliminate all nuclear weapons we would. We have proposals to dramatically reduce the numbers. These were not created overnight, and won't be eliminiated overnight.

4. The US is the largest economy; of course we produce the most gasses. But our pollution vs. our output is much lower than many economies. American environmental laws (at least in California) is very strict. We've made great progress in the last 20 years and continue. Do you think we want pollution any more than you? Action has to be based on science, fact, and must be balanced.

When it comes to making political errors, no country is perfect. Look carefully at your own history, or that of any other modern power with honesty.

We can do nothing about the past. The question is what will we do today and tomorrow to make the world better for all of us.

[Bob]

ngkim

jakob

I think you guys are missing the point. put your government's in the same situation what would they do? The fact of the matter is terrorism no matter what ax you care to grind is dead wrong. Its not an act against the U.S.A. its an act against humanity! I wonder how many nationals from your countries were killed in this attack? It's appairent that the people who did this foul act are religious nuts who think act's such as this are a free pass into heaven. A twisted preverse idea that mass murder is a way to wage a holy war!

I may be reading the signals sent by almost all the worlds leaders wrong but it seems appairent they support our actions. The reason being who knows which nation is next. It smacks of Hier Hitler's attempt to rule the world and the method he used to do it. Get a history book or better yet read his book. I have no idea what others personally feel all I can say is for myself I have no hatred of Arabs or Moslem people. I think most are just and reasonable people. My thought is that if you cowtow to terror you only set yourself up for more attacks. This holds true no matter what you think of the U.S. policies. War possibly but not due to hatred of a people but rather in defense of a way of life. In the history of the world its not the first time religious crazyness caused world strife but I wish it could be the last.

[ 09-17-2001: Message edited by: Bob ]

[Charles Davis]

Very well put, Bob. Thank you.

[JAKOB JAKOBSEN]

Charles Davis

Bob

Hi

Do not get me wrong, i think you must retalliet. hard. But i hear that you might want to invade a suverren contry to get to one mand, like U.S dit in panama, That i can not accept.

When i read news groups from the US. i see allmoust the same fanatisen, as the terrorists displayed, i know that there allways will be somebody that is extreem,

just look in here.

I do not think that Denmark is a target for terror, because we do not force our policy on other contrys, and we do not invade other contrys at your good will.

I know... denmark is a small contry and can´t do that, but if we could.

I think that the US. do not see other contrys like there equal but as somebody to take advantech off, if that is not the trught

way does echelon exist??

What will US have done if et whas a other contey that used echelon agenst US.. Invade??

invasion and cruse Missiles, echelon and support to terrorist( that will support US policy) is not the way to say to the world that we are all equal..

best regards

jakob Jakobsen

[Charles Davis]

Jakob,

With all due respect and humility, you and I are equal as human beings, but our countries are not equal.

The US is, for the moment, the only superpower in the world. That puts special burdens on us (for example in Bosnia, Iraq, and even hold the line against the former USSR). Some of these tasks we are asked to participate in.

Also, the US stands for an ideal, something that we, again with all humility, take seriously; freedom, equality, opportunity, and the rule of law.

It is indeed sad that we do not live up to our own ideals all the time; and that is our burden.

But we do earnestly believe in these ideals. We are, compared to your country, quite young and we make the mistakes. Believe me, the rate of change in the US is extremely fast. God isn't done with us yet.

I think the world will be suprised how well the US handles this. We will not kill indiscriminately. We have no desire to occupy territory. But we have been attacked in a most vicious and indescriminate way.

I hope I get to meet you someday, and that when we do, we can look back and say that the US acted in a way that was right.

[ 09-18-2001: Message edited by: Charles Davis ]

[Bob]

Jakob

Please don't take this the wrong way but I don't understand what you are trying to say?It's the phrase

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I know... denmark is a small contry and can´t do that, but if we could.

I think that the US. do not see other contrys like there equal but as somebody to take advantech off, if that is not the trught

way does echelon exist??

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I can't understand your english.Please clarify the word echelon.

Thanks,

Bob

[JAKOB JAKOBSEN]

Charles Davis

I will look forward to that day, and if i am wrong i would be the first to say, i am sorry.

>>>The US is, for the moment, the only superpower in the world. That puts special burdens on us (for example in Bosnia, Iraq, and even hold the line against the former USSR). Some of these tasks we are asked to participate in.<<<

Denmark participated allso in Bosnia,Iraq,

and , former jugoslavin, we corrently have soldier in Bosnia, peace keapers in severel africane countrys. police observers in the occupied westbank ( palastine), and india,

we are onely 5mill peoble in denmark but we are trynig to do the right things anyway. and fill out our place in the world oder.

to Bob

 

>>>I know... denmark is a small contry and can´t do that, but if we could.

I think that the US. do not see other contrys like there equal but as somebody to take advantech off, if that is not the trught

way does echelon exist?<<<

I mean that denmark is too small a country to force the danish politik on any other counrty. but if we could, we will not do it like the US. by force...

Echelon.. you know what that is!!!

or you can read about it here http://www.cipherwar.com/echelon/

then try to denie it..

Sorry about my english but ( jeg vil hellere skrive på dansk men så forstår du mig jo nok ikke)

I rather wrihte in danish but then you might not understand me. So i do my best..

best regards

Jakob Jakobsen

[Guest CNC Apps Guy 1]

You're english is pretty good Jakob.

If people are concerned about e-mail security, they should use encryption technology by PGP. PGP has the highest level of data encryption available to the general public. Generally it is only available to US and Canadian residents.

Network Associates is where you can get it.

[Bullines]

Since James is bringing up security, I'll add a bit to this. The free version of PGP that James mentioned integrates nicely with Outlook, Outlook Express, Eudora, Netscape Messenger and a few more. You can download it free from http://www.pgp.com/products/freeware/default.asp . You can also digitally sign your e-mail so that nobody can mis-represent you via e-mail; http://www.thawte.com/getinfo/products/per...l/overview.html for more info. Also, for a security check of your system, head over to http://www.microsoft.com/technet/mpsa/start.asp . Security is always important but probably will be even more so now. Don't let me catch any of you with Code Red2

On a side note, I wish high-encryption (128-bit) was still limited to the US and Canada. It could've helped curb tragedies like this.

[Tony]

We use a "Packet sniffer" Type of Software here at work http://www.howstuffworks.com/carnivore.htm

It is set on any movie format.

We were sending out potentially Harassing material(Pornography mostly) by Fwd,Fwd,Fwd from one person to another But the the mail always had are address attached to it.

So we could be accountable for the mail

getting to someone and It being "Harassing"

also the owner and VP Read everyone's emails.

I Have Nothing to Hide so these things do not bother me in the slightest bit.

[ngkim]

hello BOB,HOW COME MY NAME IS BEING QUOTED BY YOU.Liked i say i am a peace supporter and against war or terrorism.peace be with us all and love thy neigbor

[Bob]

ngkim

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i as a responsible and sensible person,refrain from all talks of war and hatred.hatred begets more hatred.nothing can justify a person to war,no amount of hatred or injustice should start another WORLD WAR.just imagine the last great war,what happened?The U.S.A might happen to be the strongest nation now,but have you all not learnt a lesson in Vietnam,Korea or even Panama.please wake up to reality,nobody wins in a war.just restraint yourself and pray for forgiveness and love thy neigbour.

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I just made the point that there is a time when not responding to terror only incourages more of the same. And to be loving and forgiving in some situations might buy you a much more grief and damage in the end.I agree with you we should show restraint and not cause damage to the innocent bystander if they are truely innocent but this by no means in my way of thinking limits defensive reactions to mortal threats such as terror attacks which kill innocent civilians in a sneak attack. And in closing I want you to consider what might have taken place if the U.S. had not taken an active role in WW2. After all it could have happened the U.S. at that time had a policy of isolationism before we were attacked by Japan.

Jakob

Please forgive my not understanding you I stupidly had no knowledge of echelon or its purpose which I admit is big brotherism but in this day and age may be necessary?