Cincinatti Milacron Acramatic 850 SX

[Lee.]

Hello All,

 

 

I am trying to help a friend out with an old machine he just picked up.

 

If anyone is running one of these can you let me know and see if you can help with some issues i'm having.

 

One for sure is loading tools.

 

I put a tool in to the spindle and cannot get it to put it away.

 

Error,

 

Illegal tool in spindle?????

 

 

TIA,

 

Lee.

[Jasond0530]

Not worked one of these for a few years now, But if memory serves me right an M2 will put the tool away and end prog!

M30 will end prog and rewind!

you will have to load tool into atc first.

[Lee.]

Hi Jason,

 

 

How can you load ATC?

 

I have a Fadal and it's as simple as load tool into spindle, M6 call different tool and it automatically puts the tool I just put in, away and gets called tool wether there is a tool in ATC or not.

 

Lee.

[Jasond0530]

 

Illegal tool in spindle?????

 

 

It more than likely thinks it has tool 0 in the spindle! Is the machine a sabre?

[Lee.]

Cincinatti Milcron.

 

I can perform tool change cycles, however when I do, the Z goes up and then ATC comes in as if it knows there is no tool in spindle and then Z drops onto supposed tool ( there are no tools in ATC, cuz can't figure out how to load it ) then ATC goes back home.

 

???????

 

Lee.

[Jasond0530]

Exactly! The atc needs loading by hand first! Could you post a screenshot of the control screen and the buttons on the right hand side of the screen?

It may jog my memory a bit! Btw this is a very old control.

[Lee.]

I will as soon as i get back over there.

 

It is around 1991?

 

I just don't see how a person is to load the ATC by hand.

 

Lee

[Jasond0530]

Granted they are old, but if it has been looked after, the machine will be good! You may struggle with parts for it, and the control is not the best,its simaler to the arcamatic a2100

(there is a programming manual on the FTP somewhere)

[Lee.]

I still don't get having to load ATC manually when there is no way of opening it.

 

Going to take pictures now.

 

Lee.

[Jasond0530]

Is it a carousel tool changer? There is a way of operating the atc manually, hence request of pics! It's been about 5 years since I last worked on one of these!

Loading it manually was the same on all the cincinnatis I've worked on!!

[Colin Gilchrist]

On the gantry machines I programmed for there were buttons on the ATC carousel that would open the door and index the holder platter.

[Lee.]

Here are the pictures

[Lee.]

Hi Colin and Jason,

 

I loaded pictures and as far as i know, i'm pretty sure there are no buttons on ATC.

 

It is umbrella style

 

Lee

[Allan]

I can perform tool change cycles, however when I do, the Z goes up and then ATC comes in as if it knows there is no tool in spindle and then Z drops onto supposed tool ( there are no tools in ATC, cuz can't figure out how to load it ) then ATC goes back home.

 

Now load the tool in the spindle do a M6 and call another tool, it will put that one back and get another empty pocket, repeat.

 

Allan

[Jasond0530]

Lee,

after aligning the m/c does it ask to align the atc?

using the buttons on the right hand side of screen, in manual mode there should be an option to "jog drum to spindle" and vice versa, also option buttons for rotating the drum back and forth! if memory serves me right you have to get the "jog drum to spindle" highlighted on the screen then press the "mechanisim jog" button above the cycle button to move the atc.

be carfull at with aligning the drum, because when booting the machine it does not know which is tool 1!!!!

[Lee.]

Allan,

 

 

Thats exactly how my Fadal works.

 

When I try it on this machine it says Illegal Tool in spindle.

 

 

Jason,

 

I did manage to get ATC aligned.

 

Still lost.

 

Lee.

[within a thou]

If you can see the proximity switch try covering it for each holder in the carousel to trick the machine into thinking there is a tool in the pot. If you can't see them check if the door to the carousel is operated by a solenoid. Manually trip the solenoid to open the door so you can shove a tool into the pot.

[Lee.]

Jason,

 

It is a sabre 500

 

 

Lee

[Allan]

Have you tried T0M6?

 

Need the manuals fo sho