Mastercam on Linux

[Mjölnir]

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People are people, and when the target is worthwhile it will be hacked. It's only a matter of time.

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Since you are able to predict the future with absolute certainty, when am I going to win the lottery?

 

Or better yet! When is Mastercam's surfacing going to be a good as Cimatron's?

 

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old news OS X hacked

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Security flaws can be found in any operating system. No where do they get fixed faster than in open source software however.

 

And security flaws aren't viruses. There hasn't been any need for anti-virus software on Macs for around 8 years or so. On Windows, it's mandatory.

[Guest CNC Apps Guy 1]

President select No Bama Must Surrender his BlackBerry

 

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People are people, and when the target is worthwhile it will be hacked. It's only a matter of time.

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Since you are able to predict the future with absolute certainty, when am I going to win the lottery?

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[iowajim62]

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There hasn't been any need for anti-virus software on Macs for around 8 years or so

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you might wanna read this, there are many viruses targeting Macs

 

http://www.securemac.com/

[bogusmill]

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You don't appreciate all the spam and malware being distributed from botnets running on millions of compomised Microsoft Windows computers around the world today?

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Lots of botnets recently have been served up by legitimate web sites (not just porn sites) that have been hacked by spammers and most of those run Apache which is an open source Linux OS.

 

Mac's are growing in popularity according to this.

 

http://www.computerworld.com/action/articl...0&source=NLT_PM

 

Over the holidays I'm going to try the Ubantu OS and a program called Crossover that is supposed to run Windows apps. They gave away free sn#'s for Crossover for several days last month so I got one and should be able to run MCX3 with it and see if it's really better.

 

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With RAM getting to the size it is, It's almost getting worthwhile to kill the swap file alltogether and just keep everything in RAM.

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I've heard of people trying that. I have 4Gb RAM here at work and 512MB of pagefile and I still got a warning that Windows was enlarging my pagefile while running verify today. I set it at 1024MB and the error didn't re-occur. Even with RAM maxed out we can't yet get rid of pagefile.

[Rob @ Target Machine]

----------------------------------------------------------------- Linnux is pretty much relegated to tinkerers

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Huh? There are more webservers running one of the linunices serving up web sites with apachee than there are running NT.

 

Anyways, I admit it, I am opinionated toward Bill Gates and Microsoft.

 

Computers have come a long way since the kaypro, but I can't say Bill Gates is the one to thank for that. The evolution of computing was heading this way with or without Bill Gates. He just found himself in the right place at the right time to take credit(or blame) for it.Depending on your point of view.

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If a stranger came to my house, washed and waxed my car. Then stole my wallet,and ran off. Should I thank him for the shine as he's running away with my money?

 

Then why should I thank Bill Gates for messing up a good idea, that was someone else's.

 

Enough Bill bashing for me today.

 

I would just like to be able to choose a platform myself. That choice is in the "spirit of free enterprise" and has been taken away from me by the monopoly that supposedly does't exist.

[Mjölnir]

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you might wanna read this, there are many viruses targeting Macs

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Just because you read it on a web site doesn't make it true.

 

There aren't any Mac OS X viruses in the wild, at this point in time, period. The only good reason to run AV software on a Mac right now is to help protect Windows computers sharing files with Macs.

 

Suggest feel free to learn a bit about the subject at hand instead of just ignorantly Googleing things up and posting them as if they have any basis of actual fact.

[Mjölnir]

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Apache which is an open source Linux OS.

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For your information:

 

Apache is an HTTP server and it's hardly Linux centric. It even runs on Microsoft Windows. The pic that makes up my sig below is being served up by an Apache HTTP server running on *FreeBSD*.

 

Anyway, it's not Apache or the operating systems which are the main targets of black hats attacking web sites. In most cases it's poorly written PHP scripts and suchlike which are the cause of the problem, not the underlying OS or server software.

 

And page / swap files don't slow a computer down. If your machines are heavily swaping / paging to disk, you need more physical memory.

[iowajim62]

Suggest you feel free to follow what's going on in the world instead of ignorantly posting without knowledge of which you are speaking. Apple is now recommending users to run an Anti-virus program. From PCmag.com not Google as well as being in the Washington Post.

 

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2335738,00.asp

[Guest CNC Apps Guy 1]

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...I would just like to be able to choose a platform myself...

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You have that ability to choose. Your choice may pose limits that you may or may not be able to live with. Nevertheless you DO have choices.

 

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...That choice is in the "spirit of free enterprise" and has been taken away from me by the monopoly that supposedly does't exist...

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Last computer store I went to for the PC I built, I was not even asked if I wanted to purchase an OS, so, I'm trying to figure out exactly where the monopoly comes in at??? Windows no more has a monopoly on the computing market than MAC does on the graphic design market.

 

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Huh? There are more webservers running one of the linunices serving up web sites with apachee than there are running NT.

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You're right. I had Workstations on my mind but did not say that. So I'll restate for the sake of clarity, Workstations running LInnux are pretty much relegated to tinkerers.

[Rob @ Target Machine]

Anubis it is my understanding that BSD is very much like linux in that their kernels both evolved from a common source, UNIX

[High Sierra Plastics]

No one said page/swap files slow a computer down. The way Windows is written it will, by default use a portion of your hard-drive for swap/page file unless you set it otherwise which is not recommended by Windows. It is an outdated technology that was implimented in Windows back in the day when memory was expensive. By the way Bill Gates did not write MS-DOS, Digital Research did when it was known as CPM.

[Rob @ Target Machine]

If I'm wrong, "let me have it".

 

When I say freedom of choice I mean where to run my chosen software. It seems the choice has been made for me already because of the mainstream standing by Microsoft. I thought I would put the idea out there and see what you guys think.

 

I guess we aren't bound to Windows after all. We are bound to software that is only compatible with (Windows) or only one platform.

 

I was suggesting a port to linux, Free BSD, or OSX.

[Rob @ Target Machine]

BTW whoever wanted to thank Bill Gates for USB...... check the wiki............

 

 

History

The USB 1.0 specification model was introduced in 1996. USB was created by the core group of companies that consisted of Intel, Compaq, Microsoft, Digital, IBM, and Northern Telecom. Intel produced the UHCI host controller and open software stack; Microsoft produced a USB software stack for Windows and co-authored the OHCI host controller specification with National Semiconductor and Compaq; Philips produced early USB-Audio; and TI produced the most widely used hub chips. Originally USB was intended to replace the multitude of connectors at the back of PCs, as well as to simplify software configuration of communication devices.

[Zoober]

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And page / swap files don't slow a computer down. If your machines are heavily swaping / paging to disk, you need more physical memory.

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Huh? Wachoo talkin bout willis?

In a sense, your right. Swap files don't slow a computer down........ unless they are doing their job. The sole purpose of a swap file is to emulate RAM, using a drive, which is ALWAYS slower than silicon. I agree with your last part though.

That, and the swap file can become fragmented, and by design, Windows XP will not allow a page file to be defragmented when the computer is on and XP is up.

Unless you are using Diskeeper, or other third party utility that provides boot time defrag, you have to:

Eliminate the fragmented pagefile

Create a temporary page file on another drive

Reboot

Defragment the drive that held the original page file

Eliminate the temporary page file

Recreate the original page file

Reboot

 

That is not slower how?

[Mjölnir]

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Apple is now recommending users to run an Anti-virus program.

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Bull poop.

 

Apple retracted that claim which inadvertently got posted to one of their forums.

 

Apple Says Macs Are Safe, No Antivirus Needed

 

Again. I very highly suggest you feel free to learn something about that of which you speak instead of ignorantly posting links that somehow makes you think you're smart.

 

And besides, who you do think I'm going to take advise from about the software I'm going to run on my two new iMacs anyway? Friends and family who have used Macs every single day for many years? Or somebody who obviously knows nothing at all about Macs on a forum for Microsoft Windows specific CAD/CAM software, that somebody being you?

[Guest CNC Apps Guy 1]

I was not necessarrily thanking Bill Gates for that per se. I was giving thanks because with the advent of that technology it gave us the simplicity we enjoy today - along with a simple OS it really does make for easier computing.

[Guest CNC Apps Guy 1]

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...And besides, who you do think I'm going to take advise from about the software I'm going to run on my two new iMacs anyway?...

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Of course you're going to turn to the MAC cultists... They are not biased at all.

[Mjölnir]

Cultist?!

 

Surely you jest!

 

Years ago I was indeed a Linux zealot (had myself convinced the evil empire was out to get me because I was being forced to used Windows at work... drank too much of RMS's koolaid at the time - heh) but I eventually outgrew that phase of my life, got my brain back, and went back to Microsoft Windows.

 

Me a Mac cultist now? Not yet!

[Rob @ Target Machine]

Anubis and company thanks for hijacking my thread. This was a valid post until you took it off topic.

[Rob @ Target Machine]

If you want to argue about swapfiles start a new thread. You are disrespecting the forum as a whole.

[Rob @ Target Machine]

I don't think a port to another OS is such a crazy idea, as Windoze users get frustrated with manipulation the tide will eventually change.

 

Wishful thinking, maybe.

[Guest CNC Apps Guy 1]

While on the surface it may seem like a Hijack, at it's core it is not. The discussion flowed into one segment of how windows manages memory. I guess to make it completely intertwined with the topic, discuss how Linnux/UNIX and it's varients handle memory and which way is best.

 

"Disrespecting the forum" is a bit excessive dontcha think?

 

I don't think anyone is saying porting to another OS is crazy. Personally I just think that porting a resource intensive application is asking for trouble.

 

JM2C

[tedly]

They are complaining because they can. Nothing is ever good enough. It is part of human gene.

[Mjölnir]

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Anubis it is my understanding that BSD is very much like linux in that their kernels both evolved from a common source, UNIX

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BSD has its roots, mainly, as the first TCP/IP stack in the original AT&T UNIX.

 

Linus Torvalds based the original Linux kernel on Minix, a Unix variant written for i386 computers.

 

I've used both BSD (FreeBSD and OpenBSD) and various Linux distros on servers and desktops. IMO, BSD's are great server OS's whereas Linux is better suited for desktop computing.

 

However, neither has what it takes for a developer to consider porting a top CAD/CAM application such as Mastercam to run on them, and that thing is market share.

 

You might think this thread was hijacked, but my comments about Macs were done with a purpose in mind. Microsoft easily has 9 times the market share Apple does and Apple easily has at least 10 times the market share Linux does, probably even much more.

 

It should be clear to you now few people if any besides myself are knocking on CNC Software's door to port Mastercam to Macs where they obviously have a much better chance of selling thier software than they would with a Linux port.

 

I've been down the road your traveling before, multiple times even, and even though your quest is nobel it is one that will ultimately lead to disappointment.

 

Microsoft Windows is what Mastercam is written for and Microsoft Windows is where it's going to stay for a very long time, or until market forces dictate otherwsie, whichever come first.

[Rob @ Target Machine]

I'll agree with that.

Mac would be a much better port to wish for.

 

Linux users can wait for WINE to get better, and maybe run an older Mcam version with it. I have seen V7.2a run in WINE and heard of V9.1mr1 running in it as well. I'm too fond of X2Mr2sp1 to go backward now though.

 

Maybe 5 years from now Mac will more mainstream.