Oops, That thread was on 5-20-04

5 AX, I was having major problems with the Pro-E converter. After getting help from Forum members I was able to solve it. Please go back to the thread I started "Pro-E converter" on 5-19-04. The only problem I have ever found with the Pro-E converter is that the Engineer has to increase the model accuracy in the Pro-E part file as you will see in the thread. I have had perfect luck ever since I notified the engineer to do that. If you have any questions please post. For now I must go as I am on a hot job. Thanks

quote: Have your dealer contact Dave at In-House-Solutions to get the MPMASTER_FADAL post you will be very happy with this post. This is what we did. It is the way to go! Thanks

Norbert, We had the same problem on a few of our Haas machines. It is a very easy fix. There is a parameter/setting that you have to change. I do not know the number as I am at home. I can check Monday and post it if you still need it. Let me know. Mike

I agree with everything you guys are saying. We have a Fadal with a 5 axis table on it. The model looks like a TR-65. This table has nothing but problems!, to many to list. Stay away! I was looking for a table a while back and of course Tsudakoma's tables were looking like the way to go but they are spendy. I heard that Makino is putting Matsumoto's(574-735-0225) are on some of their machines. I also checked a few prices and they seemed a little more reasonable. I bet you can call Makino and ask one of the Application engineer's what they think. If I had the money I would just buy a Tsudakoma though. Mike

John, That is a coincidence, I grew up in Claremont and I had a friend whose name was John Spangler. I think he would of been older than you though. It was in about 1970-1971. We were only about 9yrs old at the time. Thanks

John, Are you from Claremont, CA ?

We switched to OSG Hy-Pro NRT 1.5pi on everything. That way we have the correct tap in stock for steel if needed. They are great!

jspangler, I don't have a handbook at home here but I always drill to the absolute max on the minor dia if you are using a cut tap of course. I would also make sure to use a spiral pointed plug cut tap, coated if posible. OSG is always the best choice for the money. The best speed to start would be as Chris stated 20sfm. If you have problems, just roll em. It is OK to roll through threads if you have to. Mike [ 06-04-2004, 12:29 AM: Message edited by: Michael Whitten ]

Thanks Glen

I agree Glen with the fact that the Five axis drilling should ignore the TP but it won't work any other way that I have found. I will try to finish this job and play with this thing and see what is going on. I will post in a few days BTW, This is a standard MPMASTER set to Horiz. Does this rot_on_x look correct it is 2 # Typical Vertical srotary "B" #Rotary axis prefix vmc : 0 #0 = Horizontal Machine, 1 = Vertical Mill rot_on_x : 2 #Default Rotary Axis Orientation, See ques. 164. #0 = Off, 1 = About X, 2 = About Y, 3 = About Z # Typical Horizontal #srotary "B" #Rotary axis prefix #vmc : 0 #0 = Horizontal Machine, 1 = Vertical Mill #rot_on_x : 2 #Default Rotary Axis Orientation, See ques. 164 Thanks

So instead of doing it like they say, you change the swicths in the post to go from Top. This would seem to be a great advantage because you could go from Vert to Horiz and Back quicker. IE: more flexable. Thanks, Mike

Glenn, Wouldn't that be the same as just setting the T/C plane to Front? It seems to work that way? or is this not correct? Thanks for the help Mike

Yes Roger, thanks I will have to re-visit this issue after I get this job done on a weekend or something to see what is going on becuse something seems wrong to me. Thanks, Mike

Ooh! I got it figured out now, thanks g-code. It looks to me like an issue? Here is what I did, I have all kinds of other stuff to do besides drilling so since it is a horizontal my TP is set to Front as always. I also had the "rotate about Z" as you stated. This will not work, the g-code has no B output. It will only work if you set the TP to Front and go to about Y. You can also use 5X drill but the TP must be set to Front. None of this stuff seems correct to me because the TP should not matter when you use Five Axis drilling? Anyhow I can make the part. What do you guys think about this? Thanks, Mike

Hello Roger, I tried Five axis drill ( four axis format). and I thought it did not work. The g-code looked wrong as it was missing the B output. I just now tried it again after reading your post and it worked! in 4axis format and 5axis format Uuuhh! I guess I just screwed up! Should I be using 4 or 5 axis format? or does it matter, the code looks the same. Thanks a lot fot the help Roger. Mike

jplecan, I tried that and it does not seem to matter which way the normal points/ Wierd, I figured that would work. Thanks, Mike

jplecan, I am trying that now. Thanks

I think I found a "work around": I use solid drill( this made a separate op for each hole) to find the Tool plane # (view#) and then I will record. I will then go to Analyze> edit and then just change the view # that the view is in. ? There should be a better way though as this will add many hours to an easy part. I think that I must be missing it? Thanks, Mike

Yes, The problem is that on "Rotary axis positioning" Drilling, the drill approachs the part from "normal" to the view that the arc is in. So..the question is how do you correct this without re-creating the arc? Thanks, mike

Then I would have to do each arc individulaly? as the part is not symetrical. I am still playing with it. Thanks

I tried that but it will not switch the view around. Thanks

Hello Everyone, I am stumped for the moment.. I am try to drill a part with lots and lots of holes at many different angles on a horizontal mill. The post I am using is a late model modified MPMASTER. I have always had perfect results with this post. It would seem like I may have sevaral different choices. The quickest would seem to be "Rotary axis postioning" The problem I am having is that the drill is comming from the wrong side of the arc. As far as I know, I would have to re-create the arc as I can't find a way to flip the view to the other side. Since I have a solid model I tried to translate it to sevaral different views and "Create curve> all edges". It will always create the arcs with the view pointing the wrong direction. I wonder if there is a way to flip the view quicly or it would seem like you should be able to change the drill direction in the op but? Thanks for any help I may get on this one. Mike

Sometimes I must open the tolerance all the way to .005. I at least have stock though. Mike

That is exactly what we do on our Matsuura production machines. Just set up the post to use a Mi and make it default to yes. That way it will always be on unless you turn it off. Mike