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Thee Dragracer1951

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Thee Dragracer1951 Newbie

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I have a little shop but we're growing. I take out an ad for a machinist and get an applicant that says the right things. I've just had another guy not make it one day...so I'm a little conservative. I tell the guy, we'll give you a trial and see how you do. four days and he scrapps two jobs that have run many times. Tells me they were scrapped due to bad programming.

This guy couldn't change a chuck on a manual machine . Didn't know how. Didn't know how to bore an E collet. couldn't make a part on a manual. does a run of 135 parts and 90% of them have big time mismatch

Do you guys get these idiots too? or is it that just me?

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Jack Neelands™ Newbie

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I had to steal ppl that I knew where top notch when I worked for one company.

Those ppl that I stole were not friends just ppl that I worked with in previous shops that were good at what they do....I was allways reluctant to hire family and friends for fear of them walking all over you when it came to crunch time

When it come to hiring more ppl due to work load I went through alot of applications and tried to organize them working on their holidays or weekends before they gave their notice (if they were working allready in another shop) then see how they work out after 2 weeks.

The ppl that were not working full time would get a contract job that would last them about the same time (nothing too killer as you may have to recoup your losses) and then let them go for it

 

Things dont work out ...no harm no foul and you go your seperate ways wink.gif

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Tim Simmermon Newbie

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A lot of these "operators" come from jobs where they ran one job on one machine for 5 years. Ask them if they know how to run a machine, and the answer you get will be yes. They do know how to run a machine, but not to the standards that we have. Same thing happens when asking about reading measuring equipment. "Sure I can!" they say, but they were only told if the mic reads this, it's bad, if it reads this, it's good. So know the guy thinks he can read a mic. I put together a simple test with pictures for checking a guy's inspection knowledge. I have also found two CNC tests on line. I give those to prospective employees. You can definitely find out a lot that way.

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T_MALENA Rookie

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Same boat here. Actually I just finished todays training for 4 of our 8 apprentices. Weve been trying to hire more people, but same luck as you all. Weve resorted to hiring young people(18-22 yrs) & training them ourself. Also they are in school to get their Journeymens card. Any good CNC people need to apply. E-mail me.

 

Tim, would you be willing to e-mail me those tests?

 

 

Thanks, Tim

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I would also appreciate anylinks you may have to those tests

My shop is not really local to the Seattle labor pool so I have also resorted to training our help. These are younger people that have had some voc tech training. My problem is that as the owner, I need to back away from the machines and spend my time growing the business and getting work. That means I need a good programmer/set up guy. This guy, I thought, was it. Live and learn. But I'm gonna be testing from now on I think. These guys are costing me....

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I think it is very hard to find good people. the generation of well rounded machinists seems to have died since my dads generation and into ours.

so many younger people now days just want the money and not work or learn for it.

I would take a guy with aptitude and drive to train over a guy that says he knows whats going on.

Training is the key.

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Tim Simmermon Newbie

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I posted the files on the FTTP under the training folder. Linky

 

They are PDF's and I can only get them to show when you view the FTP in Windows Explorer. If you have trouble I will email them to anyone who needs them.

 

The file names are:

MCPO Proficiency Test (Machining Center)

TCPO Proficiency Test (Turning Center)

Inspection Test

 

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I know when I was looking for "part-time" time, I had a guy hand me test. I looked at him and said "you're kidding right?"

 

Then pointed out that 4 of his questions had multiple possible answers and that one of his questions was flat out wrong.

 

Maybe a decent idea for younger guys. Personally, from stand point, I think they're a joke. I understand however what some of you guys afinding out there. There has to be some way to weed through them.

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Thad Enthusiast

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You guys might be better off writing your own tests. That way you can tailor it fit your company. Then again, having other tests to build on would be nice too.

 

I wrote tests for our company. It's not necessarily a make or break test, but it will tell you if the applicant is BSing when he says he knows his G codes.

 

I wrote a question and answer test that has stuff like "What is a fixed cycle and give me 2 examples." "In what plane is the following radius being cut? G3X1.Z1.I1.K0."

 

The other test I wrote consists of a simple 2D drawing that is fully dimensioned. They are given the program (on paper) to cut the profile and drill some holes and they have to correct the errors in the program. It's simple stuff like G42 instead of G41, or turning the spindle on backwards. Like I said, it's not a deal breaker, but it quickly weeds out the ones who talk a good game. wink.gif

 

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I think Thad had posted links to the MCPO & TCPO test at one time also.

I think I put them on the FTP. Someone here at the forum first mentioned them a few years back. They were downloaded from another site. Some machining association?

 

Thad

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