WCS Positioning and rotating

[Dave.L]

Greetings All,

 

I am self taught with this and therefore I may really be missing the boat.

 

Is there a way to rotate the WCS WITHOUT creating a new view? I cannot seem to figure out a way to do this and I gotta believe it's me missing something.

 

Thanks in advance.

[X-L Engineering Corp]

You have the 7 standard views but after that I think that with a new rotation it’s going to ask you for a new named view.

 

HTH

[Dave.L]

My question is if I select "Rotate WCS" I would like to do so and NOT create a new view. This makes no sense to me. BTW, in most cases I am looking to rotate a NON-standard view.

[connormac]

Yes Ted is correct. If you don't use one of the standard views you will have to rotate it and use a new name. I even copy the standard views and name them the op # i use them on. That way if I have 12 ops I don't have to remember which one is which.

[Dave.L]

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I even copy the standard views and name them the op # i use them on.

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This is exactly what I do, all my views are OP? and they match my toolpath group called OP?

 

But, what I am asking is: Can't I select "rotate WCS" and do just that, rotate it without creating a new view?

[X-L Engineering Corp]

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in most cases I am looking to rotate a NON-standard view.

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Same here but this is how it’s done. After a while you get used to doing it that way. 75% of our work here is Rotary 4th Axis and you need to create a new named view for each non-standard angle. I'm sure that’s not what you wanted to heir but that’s how Mastercam is setup to handle it.

[Dave.L]

Ted,

 

Let me try to explain another way:

 

Say you have a view that you created a while ago. For whatever reason you now want to rotate the WCS of that view. Why in the world would that action require a new view to be created? That makes ZERO sense so that's why I am assuming I am screwing it up, am I?

[Leigh @ Kodiak]

Ok, here is how I do it, but it will only work for you in the future. No way to rotate those views you already made.

 

Draw geometry (I use 1" long lines) that represents the X,Y and Z axis of your new WCS. Create your view using "WCS by geometry". Select the line you want for X axis first, then Y axis. The line you drew for Z axis really has no purpose other than as a visual reference.

 

When you want to rotate that WCS later, rotate the geometry. Dynamic Xform works great for this. I keep all this geometry on a layer I call "WCS geometry", and I also make the geometry, and the WCS they are associated with the same color to make things more clear and tidy.

 

Does that make sense?

[HT]

If you created a view using 2 line method, that view will associate with those 2 line so where ever you move or rotate those line your view will go with them. HTH

[connormac]

Sorry others type faster than I do

[Leigh @ Kodiak]

Ok, here is how I do it, but it will only work for you in the future. No way to rotate those views you already made.

 

Draw geometry (I use 1" long lines) that represents the X,Y and Z axis of your new WCS. Create your view using "WCS by geometry". Select the line you want for X axis first, then Y axis. The line you drew for Z axis really has no purpose other than as a visual reference.

 

When you want to rotate that WCS later, rotate the geometry. Dynamic Xform works great for this. I keep all this geometry on a layer I call "WCS geometry", and I also make the geometry, and the WCS they are associated with the same color to make things more clear and tidy.

 

Does that make sense?

[connormac]

Dave, not trying to be a smart a$$. But when you rotate a view, it is a new view and has to be named or mastercam won't know where it is and you can't use it for anything. And no you are not screwing up.

[Dave.L]

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Dave, not trying to be a smart a$$. But when you rotate a view, it is a new view and has to be named or mastercam won't know where it is and you can't use it for anything. And no you are not screwing up.

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I am not trying to rotate a view, I am trying to rotate the WCS within a view and that is a big difference even though it may sound like it's not.

 

There is absolutly no reason this should not be possible other than more lack in this program that many people keep commenting on.

 

I am starting to think I made a bad choice with this package and maybe it's time to look at other cam software before I have too much invested in MC.

[Leigh @ Kodiak]

Dave, the way I explained it will allow you to rotate your WCS

[Dave.L]

Leigh,

 

Thanks for your suggestion but I don't want a work around. BTW, nothing personal to your work around, I will just continue to create new views and rename them....just wasted time and effort.

 

Thanks for your help though

[Leigh @ Kodiak]

Well, the way I'm doing it is not a work around. That's just how it's done. Make new views all you want, but it's a huge waste of time.

[Dave.L]

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Well, the way I'm doing it is not a work around. That's just how it's done.

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A view contains a WCS and therefore the WCS should be able to be manipulated within the view without creating a new view.

 

I am not bashing your suggestion, but it is a work around to create geometry, levels for that geo and then transform it when the WCS needs rotation. Sorry, but that's way more work than renaming the new views.

 

All workarounds to the main issue.

[Leigh @ Kodiak]

Whatever you say man.

[Code_Breaker]

With all the discussions, I think everyone missed the answer to the original question ...

 

 

HT wrote:

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If you created a view using 2 line method, that view will associate with those 2 line so where ever you move or rotate those line your view will go with them. HTH

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I do this all the time, and it works great for me ... I have designated level 100-199 for WCS geometry ... I use a "template file" with several WCS created from geometry (op-1, op-2, etc)... most part I get I leave in aerospace just in case I get a mating part (and I do) ... I select on of the WCS and move, and/or rotate to the proper postion ... no new WCS created, still using same name ... only position changed ...

 

Just thought I point this back out to you ... keep it cool

[Dave.L]

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Just thought I point this back out to you ... keep it cool

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I saw this and unless I don't understand it's the same thing Leigh is saying.

 

The part has geometry so I see no reason to create other WCS geometry.

 

All I want is to be able to select "rotate WCS" and then do so and save that to the original view in which I was rotating. It's really pretty simple and the software should be able to do it.

[Code_Breaker]

Sorry, I was editing when you posted ...

 

I don't use views, I only manipulat the WCS ...

[Leigh @ Kodiak]

Yes, the "2 line" method is exactly what I am describing. It is VERY easy and simple to do.

[Dave.L]

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I don't use views, I only manipulat the WCS ...

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Code Breaker, I don't understand what you mean. Do you have multiple WCS per each part? If so, how do you do this without views?

 

Maybe that's the piece I am missing......

[Leigh @ Kodiak]

I don't use views either. Space pilot handles all that stuff.

[Mike-T]

to me... Views are a subset of the wcs..

not the other way around...