turning center

[Joel Schreiner]

We are looking at new cincinnati hawk tc150-m. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this machine. We only have 100k cdn to spend. So we are limited to what we can get. Any help would sure be great.

joel

[Guest CNC Apps Guy 1]

I believe you can get a NEW Mori Seiki CL Series lathe in your price range.

 

I'd BUY a USED Mori before you could GIVE me a NEW Cincinati.

 

JM2C

[jeff]

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I'd BUY a USED Mori before you could GIVE me a NEW Cincinati.

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AMEN!

[chris m]

I'd take a new Okuma Captain L370 or L470 over a Cinci any day; the E100L control on those machines rocks (we have 4 L370s). The 470 is in the high $80's I think with the 12" chuck.

 

C

[Toolfab]

I will go with Chris on this one. Okuma IMHO is the best bang for the buck. We have two of them and they work GREAT. JM2C

 

Good Luck

[Joel Schreiner]

Thank you for your replies.

Would it be possible to give a few examples of things you don't like about the hawk, or things you like better about the other machines mori seiki and okumas.

Thank you again for all your help.

joel

[Guest CNC Apps Guy 1]

I don't like the Hawk because it's a Cincinati and their quality from my experience is severely lacking. Mori Seiki on the other hand is the standard that all other lathes are measured by. Ever wonder why so many machine tool builders try to make their machines look like Mori's? That's why.

 

Things I like about Mori;

Quality.

Precision.

Accuracy.

Repeatability.

Service.

Reliability.

Rigidity.

All of this year after year after year.

 

JM2C

[EZ3PUTT]

I spent 12 years in an aerospace shop with 5 Mori seiki lathes. Ran them 5 and 6 days a week. Put in way oil and pulled out chips. 12 years, 5 machines, one service call for a burned out board.

Accurate all day long to .000x (tenth's). Can't beat a Mori Seiki.

[Philcott]

Joel,

 

I use a mori seiki sl200smc. It a jewel of a machine. Solid, accurate, dependable and everything James said in his last post.

 

Phil

[jeff]

We have a Mori Seiki SL-35 that we bought in 1989 and that puppy is a workhorse!

We've crashed it sooo many times and it's still one of the best lathes that we have.

Also we have an Okuma Cadet that we got in 1994,I love the Okuma controls,they're very user friendly and ultra-versatile.

If I had my way,I'd have an Okuma control on every machine out on the floor.

[dan m]

I have to go with James on this one. The new Mori's also come with conversational controls on them. I haven't had a chance to use them yet but I have had a demo and they seem pretty user friendly.

[Fig sign]

On my former place of work we had only Okumas,

lathes amd mill.

They worked like charm in such bad conditions -

no conditioning , hot and dusty air - accurate and never any fault .

I worked on mill Okuma5000v if I remember right.

I loved this MACHINE .

It is like to drive mercedes.

I in love with Okumas !

From the other hand Mori is also good.

I worked on a lot of old Mories with Fanuc 6,10 and 11.

They where 20 years old but worked good and accurate.

But the Okuma is not only the Machine.

Their control rocks all over others.

Well Cincinaty is another story.

They are simply from the other football league.

The same is my Deckel- Maho dmc 63v from Deckel.

Two great names bought by Guildermeister but in reality a piece of @#$%.

You can use it and will do good parts but faults all the time ,numerous bugs in control and nerves.

Far better to buy some good Japan machine tool then German or American !(sorry for possible offence ).

 

[ 04-03-2003, 02:26 AM: Message edited by: plasttav ]

[Mick]

If I had my way,I'd have an Okuma control on every machine out on the floor.

 

Amen to that....Okuma have great controls. Their User Task is great, and the LAP turning cycles are fantastic.

[chris m]

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If I had my way,I'd have an Okuma control on every machine out on the floor

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I'm also with you there! We have 4 LNC8 Cadets, 4 L370 Captains and 1 LT15M and they are all dependable, workhorse machines with no maintenance issues at all.

 

We also have 2 (Old) Mori lathes that are super dependable as well

 

Can't go wrong either way, in my opinion. Nakamura-Tome is pretty nice too for another option.

 

C