Post a file with your attempt and someone can try to point you in the correct direction.

Remember Mastercam filtering has been and is still tore up from the floor up. Simple test make a 100" diameter sphere and then flowline the sphere with a 1" ball endmill. Throw as many filters as you want at it. See which one gives you only 100% arc moves for the cuts. I have ran this test on every X version since X came out. Not a single version can give me 100% arc using filters. I have backplot the toolpaths make arcs and run a Contour toolpath with no comp and guess what the code never matches. This is the math test the filter fails every year. Just ran into using 2D Peel on a 40 year old machine. Wanted the smalest amount of code possible. What does anyoen think gave me the smallest code out Mastercam?

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No one willing to guess what filter settings gave me the correct code?

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Come on no one is willing to guess? No filters gave me the best code. Now no filters on a 3D toolpath doesn't behave the same as with filters. Let me repeat that no filters on a Peel mill toolpath gave me the cleanest code with all the arcs and line movements. With a filter it was junk IMHO. Now 3D toolpaths don't behave the same way. Screams fundamental math problem somewhere and for over 15 years no one has dug into why. I am the crazy person on the forum so I guess there is that to consider I mean we all know math is about feeling and mood swings. No way I should expect a G2 and G3 to be just that they can be whatever Mastercam decides it wants them to be and just keep your head down and go along with the idea it is good and it is good.

Sorry slow seeing this one been in dead areas training Mastercam last couple of weeks and off to another isolated area next week. In Chicago again for two weeks after that. Will be my 5th and 6th week in that area this year.

I can see after having to teach Mastercam to beginners why I stand behind no ribbons for power users 1000%. For beginners I have come to rethink that mindset. New programmers to Mastercam switching from other software need the ribbon to get familiar with all the functions. Funny even the In-House professional course ware I have been using for training shows RMB in the Toolpath manger to access toolpaths not put into the Ribbon.

I have had maybe 20 programmers adopt the no ribbon process out of over a 100 I have interacted with in the last few years so 20% of users see the benefit from that

Question is are they making you run everything for CAMPLETE on the cloud like Fusion?

Another thing is which of them allows you a floating network license that 100 programmers could use and not have to pay a license fee for all 100 programmers to use? 2 out of the 3 allow that and not charge per machine per user to use it? Check out the hidden costs of ownership also. Have a bad couple of months and don't pay the mother-ship on one of them your dead in the water. 2 of them you want to stay with your current version for 20 years you can and have good and bad months and stay in business and not have it destroyed.

That is as of today date. A year or 5 years from now they all might fall into the mother-ship controls your density mindset we can never know.

Again you don't provide a file. Here is a sample like yourS with 4 bosses. Only goes up to start the next depth outside the part like it should since the stock is define correctly. Again you keep thinking were the idiots with that arrogance you keep not realizing you are putting out. No file and keep prompting two different CAM Software means you're a shill or a pirate.

BIRD FLEW THE COOP REALITY CHECK

On 3/18/2024 at 5:59 AM, cncappsjames said:

Speaking of Vericut, anyone using it to post yet? 

 

Nope why they offer ICAM, but not going to even start a conversation about it.

On 3/8/2024 at 5:24 AM, gcode said:

straight machine sim?   yes all the time

Postability Machinesim is much better, 

One thing Vericut does than Machine Sim can't is Autodiff 

Cough Cough or CAMPlete. Cough Cough

Vericut owned and used at 5th Axis CG Inc. have 105 different machines.

On 3/15/2024 at 10:45 PM, bird2010 said:

I can't understand English but I can understand the video. The video is very good.

I have used this function, but it seems that it cannot set separate feed rates for multiple blocks.
Is there any operation method that I don’t know that can be implemented? Thank you

Curve 5 Axis is you only choice. Make the motion from it and then use toolpath editor.

On 3/14/2024 at 9:36 AM, SuperHoneyBadger said:

We have a few dinosaurs around these parts too, good to hear you guys are looking out for us when it comes time to post!

Without permanently hijacking this thread, and while you are here - can you give us the elevator pitch as to the advantage of 3 Axis Deburr over Contour 2D/3D in deburr mode? I have been looking for the major differences and have not seen a post that outlines it. Most of the info seems to be "if you like 5axis deburr, you'll love this" and I don't have multiaxis to know what I'm missing!

Be nice if arc filter did just that and made arcs verse no filter on some tool paths that do make arcs, but I digress.

5 hours ago, Leon82 said:

I see it on the lower left corner when regenerating tool paths sometimes

File and tool path integrity is what that is really doing.

23 hours ago, Kendo said:

I bet some of you guys have done threads though that have the starts called out?

Oh yeah many times. A feature for direction control of different things are timed to the thread.

Is there something in the Probing macros that cancel G68.2? Would need to run them in single block and see if a G69 is called.

16 hours ago, Aaron Eberhard said:

Ah, yeah, you're doing complicated stuff there

The only thing I could think of to do with a shape like that would be to create a surface on each individual shape (like, each pedal) using Surfaces > Power Surface.  Then, convert that into a sheet body solid ( Solids > Solids from Surfaces).  Finally, you can use Solids > Thicken or  Model Prep > Push/Pull to make it thicker.  Finally, you can boolean those away.

 

But the real question is why do you need the solids removed?  Just to learn how to do it?  I'd toolpath directly off the wireframe you have in your image for actually cutting the part.

To piggy back on this thought would be to make a surface of the vase shape. Then use trim to curves to trim the surfaces of each shape using normal verses plane and then use the above process to make them into solids if that is really what you are looking to achieve.

4 hours ago, SlaveCam said:

Having to regenerate the NCI and recalculate the entire toolpath data are different things. Changing stuff that don't affect the toolpath data itself (for example, a misc value) should not require the toolpath to be recalculated, which may take a lot of time. There does not seem to be consistency between operation types, for example, flowline which is my favorite stays "clean" when I change S&F or misc values, Surface Rough parallel becomes "dirty" when S&F is changed but not if a misc value is changed, and again 3D High Speed (Blend) stays "clean" even if both are changed et cetera

This is obviously a difficult thing to manage for coders because it's easy for the op to become bugged and thus it's just safer to flag it is as dirty if *anything* changes. But there would be no fewer bugs if more software testing were prevalent.

 

What if one of the mi or mr triggers behavior in an operation? I have some that trigger tool inspection and parent child calls. I need the software to regenerate those operations and it drives me crazy when it doesn't and I then have to go back and do it myself. Are there things that shouldn't maybe, but seeing how at the first chance the software doesn't and someone gets and error or worse yet a crash of their machine then who will they feel when the software didn't make those operations dirty?

You answered you own reasoning for it with your last sentence.

On 3/3/2024 at 1:56 AM, bird2010 said:

Please slow down and watch the movements in this video between 10 and 15 seconds

sorry, I am not good at English

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl7mxgc-ssg

 

Went back and re-looked at this 5 times and Mastercam goes about it the same exact way when doing an OPTI-Rough.

Like others have said not on maintenance then not a problem. A simple Mastercam file will be good enough, yet after all the insults thrown at a tool I use to feed my family and keep a roof over heads along with be a racist against am being an American thinking you know me when you clearly don't still supports my thinking you are like 100's of people over the last almost 21 years using a pirated version of the software. 

I will be glad to share my over 5000 emails between me and CNC software over the last 15 years about thing I want done better in Mastercam so you can get off your high horse about how you think you are the only one that wants the software to be better.

English lesson here. Definition of perfect from Websters: Defined in English

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perfect

1 of 3

adjective

per·fect ˈpər-fikt 

 

 

Synonyms of perfect

 

 

1

a

: being entirely without fault or defect : flawless

a perfect diamond

 

b

: satisfying all requirements : accurate

c

: corresponding to an ideal standard or abstract concept

a perfect gentleman

 

d

: faithfully reproducing the original

specifically : letter-perfect

e

: legally valid

 

2

: expert, proficient

practice makes perfect

 

 

3

a

: pure, total

b

: lacking in no essential detail : complete

c

obsolete : sane

d

: absolute, unequivocal

enjoys perfect happiness

 

e

: of an extreme kind : unmitigated

a perfect brat

 

an act of perfect foolishness

 

 

4

obsolete : mature

 

5

: of, relating to, or constituting a verb form or verbal that expresses an action or state completed at the time of speaking or at a time spoken of

 

6

obsolete

a

: certain, sure

b

: contented, satisfied

 

7

of a musical interval : belonging to the consonances unison, fourth, fifth, and octave which become augmented or diminished when raised or lowered by a half step

 

8

a

: sexually mature and fully differentiated

a perfect insect

 

b

: having both stamens and pistils in the same flower

a perfect flower

 

 

perfectness

ˈpər-fik(t)-nəs 

 

noun

perfect

2 of 3

verb

per·fect pər-ˈfekt 

 

also

ˈpər-fikt 

 

perfected; perfecting; perfects

transitive verb

1

: to bring to final form

 

2

: to make perfect : improve, refine

 

perfecter noun

perfect

3 of 3

noun

per·fect ˈpər-fikt 

 

: the perfect tense of a language

also : a verb form in the perfect tense

In Tradition Chinese:

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perfect

[adjective, noun ˈpəːfɪkt , verb pəˈfɛkt ]

adjective

1. (faultless: weather, behaviour)

完美的

(: sauce, skin, teeth) 無瑕的

2. (ideal: crime, solution, example) 理想的

3. 

(complete: sense, nonsense, madness) 完全的

(idiot, fool, stranger) 絕對的

transitive verb

(technique, skill) 使完善

noun

the perfect (tense) 完成時

perfect for sb/sth 對某人/某事完全合適

he’s a perfect stranger to me 對我來說他完全是個陌生人

Like I said originally your definition of perfect and my definition of perfect are at different ends of the spectrum. Doesn't crash the machine hurt the part and take into account a 100 different things it needs to make a good part then that is perfect. How much time if what you consider not perfect account for in a 40 hours roughing cycle where we are removing 7000lbs (15,400 kilos) of material from a part? That is the longest running roughing cycle I have ever run on one part. Before that same type of part was being roughed in 100 hours. If the not feed down to next move at 1200ipm was 1% of total time and didn't scrap the part or create a situation where I got a gouge or other thing that would have scrapped a $50,000 piece of Material than it did a perfect job in my book.

Going by your definition of perfect the maybe 6-7 minutes of feed moves between transition coming up verses going down in an open space make it less than perfect then you have a very valid point. I considered it a lot less since the part had a lot of closed pockets in it. Lets have CNC Software not release another thing from the software until one user out of over 500,000 have decided this must be done. My hard earned money out of my personal pocket that pays their salary along with the over 400 different customers I have worked or work with also don't have any say and every resource must be dedicated to address the less that perfect situation you have yet to provide a Mastercam file showing must be addressed. Cannot fix and imaginary issue someone cannot prove with facts(Sample file). Sorry I am the a$$hole than many think I am here. You have have followed to the letter and method what 100's of pirates and trolls using the software illegally have followed for over the last 20 years, but you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have my website out there with my personal cell phone number. I have who I am and what I am out there also. I got no problem standing in the middle of a room full of people and saying no that is not right. That is all I am doing here is saying your approach and method to get an answer is not correct here and making me out to not like Asian's is just being more of an a$$hole than me.

6 hours ago, balnh said:

Here is a screen shot. The feature in question is the red face. The part sits on center on the COR. The undercut is concentric to the bore and outside. No angles on it just a cylinder. 

Axis sub will not machine a 5 axis feature. That is a 5 Axis feature the walls are not normal to the radius. Even Multi Axis Pocket will have issues with that to make the walls perfect. It would rough nicely, but that will need to be done on a 4 Axis with 4 Axis Swarf to finish the walls. You don't have Multi Axis so then will need to machine that in 3 operations.

7 hours ago, Jake L said:

Not sure about your question, but I believe I read somewhere that "automatically determine Z depth" will be defaulted to off in MC25

YEAH years of complaining finally paid off.

Generic Post says it all to me. No File sorry not in the mood to play 100 guesses.

14 hours ago, SlaveCam said:

Another one is, if an operation is inside a subgroup, you won't notice that something has become dirty until you expand the toolpath group, only after which the icon turns to red X.

Simple things like these should be at the highest priority in the evergrowing list of bugs to be fixed...

Same with push pull and move in Model Prep if tool paths are made to a dumb solid.

3 hours ago, bird2010 said:

Thanks
I have solved it ,but it doesn't work for every model
Mastercam’s core algorithm still needs to change

This is just a forced calculation

I'm not here to criticize Mastercam
I really like Mastercam

sorry, I am not good at English

Glad you got the results you were looking for. Again not sure what good it does you if the company will never go past the version you have, but you are happy you got to get it off your chest so I guess there is that.

Still have yet to see a file so sorry if I take what your saying with a bit of skepticism.

On 3/5/2024 at 11:53 PM, bird2010 said:

Yes, you are someone who actually uses Mastercam every day!!!
"Reasonable non-retraction" is more efficient than "every time" retraction
I am not good at English, I am from Taiwan,I have to use google translate,I can't fully express what I mean!
Our company is a legal user, but the maintenance period is no longer renewed, but we are still a legal user.
Because of efficiency issues, the company has to choose between Solidcam or Tebis, and the company has switched to Solidcam.
I like Mastercam. If I were a Solidcam or Tebis user, I would hope that Mastercam never improves, instead of hoping that Mastercam can be perfect!
I only have one account! I don't do meaningless things!

People here are not friendly. I never knew Americans were so unfriendly. Thank you all for letting me know about American demeanor.
I don't need to come in here anymore! Thank you all

You are a child, an immature adult, and have no grace!
And you are so self-righteous that you are an obstacle to Mastercam's progress!
It's you who make me feel very bad about Americans!

Thank you for your deep dive into the last 52 years of my life by just a few exchanges of a thread where just a basic file with something to help you would have been a way to bridge the communication gap. A picture tells a 1000 words. Can teach a person to fish and feed them for life verses giving them the fish only feeds them for the day.

Well you have missed out and glad i have plenty of friends in Asia that would disagree with your assessment. All the best and hopefully the issue that is stopping you from using the software to its fullest can be resolved, but the issue is you are not longer able to get update so even if it resolved in the future your company switched to a different software and that fix would never be realized to be used by your company so the whole topic helped in what way if the software is limited to not do it exactly as you have stated it must do it to be usable?

Still waiting for that file.

4 hours ago, ikertx0 said:

Hi Ron!
You mean this?
https://www.pccomponentes.com/pny-nvidia-quadro-rtx-4000-8gb-gddr6-dlss3

Blocked on my end, but yes RTX series is a good choice.

14 hours ago, cncappsjames said:

Software policies with nearly all software companies change as do partnership agreements from time to time.

 

I merely wanted to correct you in case someone took what you stated as policy and were prepared to make a decision based on that statement.

As always, it is best to contact YOUR software provider regarding policies and pricing rather than rely on Reddit, eMastercam, Practical Machinist, CNC Zone, etc... for accurate up to date information. Many unlisted factors go into pricing and policies. 

Fair point it is a product you support and your customers use.

1 hour ago, ikertx0 said:

I have finally upgraded the i7-12700F processor to an i9-14900KF

About the graphics card, I want to change RTX3060 for a quadro. Can you recommend any?

4000 or better would be my choice. I just got a refurb with the RTX5000A card.

3 minutes ago, cncappsjames said:

I think you may have been misinformed on the pricing.

Yes there is a per-user license, there is no "per-machine" cost to the best of my knowledge. We have a number of customers with 5+ machine tool builder variety with multiple machines from each builder and they only pay the per user cost. 

What the Autodesk sales person started quoting us to keep being a partner and that has been many years. Either way I have what I need to get work done.