O/T..taxes and Indians

[RStuart]

Was curious of your views on the fact that as it stands now as of December 1st New York will start impoosing a tax on cigarettes and gasoline sold on reservations through out the state. Didn't we sign a treaty with them like a 100 years ago? How can we, the USA, or the State of New York do this? The last time this was spoken of the Indians blocked the turnpike with flamming tires.

[RStuart]

This comming from a state that recently passed a no smoking in public buildings law and is also kicking around the idea of making smoking in your own vehicle illegal. As well as stating that 75% of New York State residents are non-smokers.

 

[ 10-30-2003, 02:05 PM: Message edited by: RStuart ]

[Noel]

Hey we stole that land fair and square I say let em pay taxes like the rest of us.

 

Noel

[Lathe-Mill]

INDIAN GIVERS!!!

more money, more problems...that really sux.

unfortunally since they can not take more money from the ppl outside the reservations, lets get in there and screw things even more...feel bad for these guys, keep taking little by little from them...

[Tony]

Tax the Indians, Everyone should feel the Hit.

(Accept for the Politcians themselves of course)

Every Branch of Gov. is out of money

So were creating all new taxes!

In IL. we now have a State Death Tax.

Not only do the Feds tax Our inheritance but the States are jumping on the wagon too.

Theres Gold in them there estates!

 

And now back too Live U.F.O.

"Strangers in the Night"

@ 110 Decibles....

 

[ 10-30-2003, 02:18 PM: Message edited by: Tony ]

[Lathe-Mill]

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Every Branch of Gov. is out of money

So were creating all new taxes!

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i think the indians should not pay for what our goverment is doing with our money....!!leave them alone!!....dont we did enough already?

 

too many burocrats...

[robk]

Not sure if CT is the same way, but are the Indians getting the tobacco and gasoline tax free on the reservations? If so why is it that the gas station @ the casino could charge somebody .20 more per gallon of gas than a station 2 miles away? Also the price of a pack of cigarettes is $8.58. Is this convenience or price gouging?

 

Rob

[robk]

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dont we did enough already?

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I haven't done anything to them... Unless you count the $100.00 that I donate every couple of months @ the casino.

 

Rob

[RStuart]

Living in a town that is roughly 10 miles from a reservation alot of people in the are buy smokes and gas at these convience stores. Gas is usually .10 to .15 cents difference a gallon and smokes are a different ball game. Here in Bradford a pack of name brands will cost you anywhere from $3.50 to $5.00 a pack. I can go on the res and get a carton for $22.50. Big difference.

[Rekd™]

I don't know about your states, but in Cal, the Indians are livin' large!

 

I don't know if they're citizens of the U.S. or not, but if they are, they should be paying taxes as well as the rest of us.

 

If they're not, do they have visas to be off their reservations and in 'this country' legally?

 

Think about it... They get all the beni's of being residents of this country, but none of the burden? Especially when they're making the TAX FREE money they're making here in Cal, where' it's illegal to gamble.

 

'Rekd teh diggin' himself a hole and waiting for the incoming flame...

[mayday]

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'Rekd teh diggin' himself a hole and waiting for the incoming flame

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Carefull Rekd, with all those heli's stuck on the ground out there,the last thing you need is more flames

[Lathe-Mill]

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If they're not, do they have visas to be off their reservations and in 'this country' legally?

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not again man!!!!!

wasn't enough on the other thread?

 

i remember the movie malcom x quote

"we didn't land on plymouth rock, plymouth rock landed on us..."

we came ,we invaded, we pay for are own mistakes..

let them be, may be that is a way to pay them back?

[TREV]

heres another good one in pa, when tom ridge was govenor he decided we should pay taxes on a used car based on blue book value.now to me if someone buys a car the taxes have already been paid in full. why tax again? GREEDY, GREEDY, S.O.B.

TREVOR

[Lathe-Mill]

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why tax again? GREEDY, GREEDY, S.O.B.

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that is the answer to all of our problems...

greedyness

[Tony]

My Bum A-hole Brother "Defected" to an Indian Reservation out west.

Basically for "Diplomatic immunity"

and to Live Large on someone elses dime as Rekd put it.

 

[ 10-30-2003, 02:47 PM: Message edited by: Tony ]

[Philcott]

Anyone who thinks the Indians have it all should try spending a day in their shoes. Look around the shop you work in. Any Indians working there? To a lot of us it seems unjust they don't pay taxes(myself included). Those are the deals our forefathers made and we should respect them. How unjust would it be if someone with bigger and better guns than yours came onto your property took all you had and gave you a little reserved place the size of a dog house to live on and make a living out of?

I don't think these guys need us crapping on them whether on not we PERSONALLY did anything to them.

 

Phil

 

[ 10-30-2003, 03:37 PM: Message edited by: PhilCott ]

[Lathe-Mill]

AMEN Phil!!!!

 

too many chiefs not many indians

[TimHollis]

Every time I make a trip home to NY, I get flooded with orders.

 

Name brand smokes

Marlboro

Newport

and all the others, they ship down from the U.S.

$8. U.S. dollars a carton.

 

The locale produced version, have no tax on them, $6. U.S. dollars a carton.

 

I think G W Bush, needs more money for his sandbox, 87 Billion & counting!

 

Thanks

Tim H.

 

[ 10-30-2003, 03:05 PM: Message edited by: TimHollis ]

[Lathe-Mill]

i will like to hear or know what will be the argument, the feds are gonna put on the table.

i can see the war paint on their faces ...j/k

we got ourselfs in this mess, we gotta get ourselfs out, not bring someone else in with us.

[Tony]

True,

To a Bum The Reservation Is Living Large.

To you and me I would say After

the 5th Springer episode we

Would be crawling the Mobile home walls.

[ScottyB]

I agree with ya Rekd, and I'll bite my tongue before I say much more. It's illegal in WI to gamble off res. also, but I'm seeing mini casinos at every corner now. I'm not sure how that can be.

 

A few years ago our Gov. tried to show he had a set of stones and increase the fees for the gaming rights to $100million per year. His stones looked real small when they signed the contract for $1.3million. They may not pay taxes, but they throw a lot of weight in our government. Who would fight for them if terrorists hit their buildings?

 

There's a $40,000 truck around here with res. plates that say "WGN BRNR". I can't believe the state issued that!!

 

That's all I've got to say about that.

 

ScottyB. teh Cowboy, pushing the envelope Rekd style.

[Rekd™]

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True,

To a Bum The Reservation Is Living Large.

To you and me I would say After

the 5th Springer episode we

Would be crawling the Mobile home walls.

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A bum?

 

'Rekd teh 6 digit income = a bum?

[TimHollis]

We have done nothing but screw them, So lighten up a little, if they can get over!!!!!

 

There not like Egypt the past 15 years, asking & getting a $11 BILLION handout or anything!

 

Sheesh

 

 

Thanks

Tim H.

[Rekd™]

Ok, lemme clarify a few things.

 

First, what happened to the indians several hundred years ago was wrong. Period.

 

I don't think it was right, but I wasn't there and I don't expect to be held accountable for it. I will not take blame or carry the responsibility for something someone I never knew did, so that whole "We have done nothing but screw them" scenario doesn't wash with me. I haven't screwed them one bit!

 

It's done and there's not much we can do to change it. If it were another country that had done it, with different leaders, it would have been a lot worse I'm sure. All things considered, they got it pretty good. They've got more freedoms than other 'citizens' have.

 

Also, I'm part German, are you going to say it's my fault Hitler tried to conquer the world, and hold me accountable and punish me all my life?

 

Secondly, I strongly feel that if a group of people is going to be a functioning OR DEPENDANT part of any community, they need to carry some of the burden if they are capable of doing so. Thanks to casinos, they are more than capable now..

 

It just strikes me as odd that while they don't help pay for the necessities to facilitate a community, (read fire stations, roads, welfare etc etc etc), they continue to bring millions of TAX FREE dollars into their communitites via casinos and other loops, spend it all on themselves, and still expect to have all the freedoms and benefits and use these facilities as the rest of the tax payers in this country.

 

IMNSHO, it's like welfare when you're perfectly capable of working and refuse to, but with a rather large TAX FREE income on the side, as well as the ability to be exempt from the laws and rules of the society you live in.

 

Dis-information is frightening...

 

'Rekd teh un-informed and ignorant will unknowingly fight to have every freedom they live for taken away. Along with their money.

 

[ 10-30-2003, 07:33 PM: Message edited by: Rekd ]

[Lathe-Mill]

we are victims of our history, we might never done anything to them, but they have done nothing to us either, soooooo....why start doing things to each other now?....lets not start something that we might regret, i dont think it is the right time now...nor ever...

 

btw what is ? "WGN BRNR".