Die Mold _HSM VMC

[Fred @ Slate Industries]

Hey everyone

 

Are Tree machine (Which built this place)

is Heading for retirement

 

We are comparing these machines

Fanuc Robodrill

Okuma Millac 44v

Makino E33

Roku-Roku

 

Any thoughts or experiences?

 

Thanks

Tony

[mold100]

I prefer Makino over your choices. I would also consider Mori Seiki.

[Joepcb1018]

Take a look at OKK as well

[Brad St.]

I've had great results with the Roku but what are your uses going to be?

[Fred @ Slate Industries]

3D geo ,Carbon and Hardmilling S7

[g huns]

Love my Roku 435, just to small. Hard steel and graphite cut like a champ. Mine has 3000 for minimum rpm so for soft steel and drilling it sucks. Hard to get one machine that does it all, maybe Makino but big $$$$. BTW Bradst, you aren't workin at Metro are you?

[g huns]

Don't know if you'd be interested but heres a used Roku with all the toys, glass scales, mist... and I think it's in your neighborhood. If memory serves it was in the $100K area. 2000 Roku

 

If you choose the Roku, insist on glass scales otherwise you'll fight positioning accuracy as it heats up.

[Hardmill]

If your lookin for the best, Yasda.

I'd go Makino as 2nd choice.

Drop me an e-mail, I gots a good source.

 

PEACE

[HevyMetl]

Makino all the way. Our SNC is great for everything you listed above. We have the 30K spindle and it will go down to 300 rpm. I have drilled and milled alot in the 1000rpm range it works great. Our biggest cutters would be ½" or 12mm and it has no problem pushing them. We hard mill S-7 54-56Rc and switch back to graphite on a daily basis. Change over takes about 10 mins of cleaning and a install of the graphite funnel. Don't even try running an oil mister or you will have one big gooey mess to clean-up. We tested the Roku, Makino, and Roehder. Makino wiped them all out when it came to performance, accuracy, and cost. They say that new E series is an awesome machine. Good luck.

[Fred @ Slate Industries]

Good stuff thanks,

Were "In Bed" with the Makino saleguy too.

The okuma guy says the "S" in the makino S series

means its mfg. in Singapore. With a Row of Hurcos here She'll fit right in

I am not sure where the E series is from.

 

Thanks again

Tony

[Micromoldmaker]

Our Roku 658 has performed well when milling graphite and high speed milling of P-20. We looked at a Makino with the same number of RPMs (30,000)but backed off because of the cost. Wouldn't mind driving one for a few months to see how well it does. Plus the training at Makino is supposed to be outstanding for those converting to high speed milling.

[HevyMetl]

Yes the S series is made in Singapore, it also does not have the tolerances of the V series. The SNC was also made in Japan, the E series is taking it place. I was told it would also be manufactured in Japan due to the tolerances they were quoting on the machine. The S series makino will still blow the best Hurco's out of the water. You could probably replace two of the Hurcos with what the makino will gain you. If you were to go with a S series I would opt for the higher end spindle, and not the grease packed 13,000 rpm one IMO.

[zeerapid]

To whom it may concern, the used roku that g huns is pointing out is from our shop, it was a bit nervous and service could not correct it, so out the door it went.

[chris m]

Matsuura has some pretty sweet HSM machines. The Robodrill can really cook but will not do any heavy work and the machine is physically not big

 

C

[g huns]

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a bit nervous

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Come on that's the exciting part. Kinda like a Viper or an old Shelby Cobra. Seriously, what kind of trouble did it give you? When ours was new they flew a couple guys over from Japan to replace all spindles within a certain serial# range cause they just didn't sound right to them, no failures, just didn't sound good.

[zeerapid]

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what kind of trouble did it give you?

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If you put a indicator on it the needle would bounce all over.

Don't get me wrong , we have 11 of these machines

and their great.

Ive worked on Makino's,Matsuura,Enshu and Haas but the Roku Roku is the most accurate.

[g huns]

Pretty generous to put Haas in there with the others

Have you had any trouble on any of the others with the x leadscrew getting hot and growing? If you got the time, drop me an e-mail through the forum. I'd love to pick someone's brain who's got more experience with these than I got.

[Fred @ Slate Industries]

Here Goes Nothing....

Could someone send me a copy of a

"MPFAN-MAKINO-SGI.PST" ?

Or what ever your using for a Makino S56

My resellers "Free" post won't Helix

and I need that for entry moves.

 

Thanks

Tony

 

I'll trade you a custom Animated Avatar !

[HevyMetl]

You have helped enough. I have a makino SNC64 with the SGI 3 in it. Drop me an e-mail and I will send you what I've got. I usually helix with no arcs and get a little better interpolation out of it.

[Lucky]

Add Mikron, Mori Seiki and OKK to your list of candidates. Of the machines you listed the Makino would be my choice.

[David Conigliaro CNC Software Inc.]

Makino all the way, I've never heard a bad thing about a Makino other than price