x8 dirty operations

[GS]

I'm getting tired of regenerating operations.

I select a group of operations, edit common parameters, change planes and, boom, the entire machine group becomes dirty. This happens every single time.

In a large file this is a lot of time lost waiting for operations to regenerate.

Wasn't the last X8 update supposed to fix some plane problems?

[JayM]

I would not consider having to regenerate my toolpath after changing its planes a "problem".  If I change any feature of the toolpath be it geometry or a parameter, the toolpath has to regenerate the NCI file based on the new input that you have given it.

[GS]

If you read carefully my post says that the entire machine group becomes dirty, not only the selected operations.

That is the problem.

 

Thank you for your reply.

[JayM]

Can be more specific about exactly how your program is setup, what type of machines, toolpaths ,etc.  Or even upload the MC file itself.  A picture is worth a thousand words.

[GS]

Any type of machine, vertical or horizontal, any type of toolpath, 2d, 3d.

This happens to everybody in our place.

We are using WCS and planes extensively.

If you only work in the TOP WCS you probably don't have this problem.

[JBex4ford]

What I have happening to me in X8 is if I change my work offset number on a plane, every toolpath that uses that plane becomes dirty. This did not happnen to me in X7.

[JayM]

What I have happening to me in X8 is if I change my work offset number on a plane, every toolpath that uses that plane becomes dirty. This did not happnen to me in X7.

 

This is expected.

 

 

Any type of machine, vertical or horizontal, any type of toolpath, 2d, 3d.

This happens to everybody in our place.

We are using WCS and planes extensively.

If you only work in the TOP WCS you probably don't have this problem.

 

Sorry I can't help.  I am not experiencing the issue that you describe.  Sharing a file or being more specific about your processes would help though.

[Jon D Morton]

I am experiencing the exact same problem.  I will just change the plane in one tool-path operation and every operation using that plane in the machine group goes dirty.    

The new "Plane Manager" seems to be quite problematic.  At least we can name our planes using lower-case letters now.  Huge improvement. 

[K2csq7]

This is not happening for me. 

Can you guys share a file?

 

Has anyone sent anything to QC?

[Jon D Morton]

Try this...

If it doesn't make your operations dirty then maybe the problem is with my install.

 

Select the last operation in your machine group by right clicking...

Select <Edit selected operations> <Edit common parameters...>

In the Edit Common Parameters (Mill/Router) dialogue box select the <Planes> tab.

Change the planes used in that operation to any other plane configuration.

Select <check mark> for that menu.

Select <check mark> for the main menu.

See what happens to your operations.

[JayM]

Following your steps and nothing happens to me, only the toolpath that I had selected is marked dirty.  You might try making sure you are on the latest update release. 

 

Are you using any stock models? Rest milling? Transform? toolpaths.  Depending on how your operations are organized this may explain the issue.

[GS]

"being more specific about your processes would help though."

I don't understand what more specific. 

I repeat:

1. Select a few operations to edit the planes, I am not selecting all of them in a machine group.

2. Change WCS and construction & tool plane thru edit common parameters.

3. All operations in that specific machine group become dirty. Not only the edited ones, which I expect to become dirty.

 

This either happens to you or not, I can't be more specific.

[Thad]

Are you using any stock models? Rest milling? Transform? toolpaths.  Depending on how your operations are organized this may explain the issue.

 

...which is why an ACTUAL FILE, not just a list of instructions is being requested.

[GS]

This is not going to happen in a sample file with three operations.

The reason I am posting this is to see if anybody else who does REAL WORK, usually  with large files, have the same problem.

We didn't have this problem in X7.

Some of the guys here don't even want to use X8.

[JayM]

Well not more I can say here.  Without a file I can't say why it might be happening but it is definitely not happening for me.

[Jon D Morton]

I'll work on making a small sample file.  I can't send you one of my actual work files...

[crazy^millman]

Try this...

If it doesn't make your operations dirty then maybe the problem is with my install.

 

Select the last operation in your machine group by right clicking...

Select <Edit selected operations> <Edit common parameters...>

In the Edit Common Parameters (Mill/Router) dialogue box select the <Planes> tab.

Change the planes used in that operation to any other plane configuration.

Select <check mark> for that menu.

Select <check mark> for the main menu.

See what happens to your operations.

 

Not seeing that here on my real work that has 250+ operations and is a 150mb file with 6 different stock models in it.

 

Have a great day.

[GS]

Just wondering are you using WCS other than top plane in that 150 mb file?.

[JayM]

Sigh....   

[GS]

Thank you for this last reply.

This explains everything.

[crazy^millman]

Just wondering are you using WCS other than top plane in that 150 mb file?.

 

Yes. 42 different ones to be exact.

[Jon D Morton]

Ok the file is ready.  Being new here I am just not sure how to share this file.  Do I e-mail it or upload it somewhere?

Thanks.

[crazy^millman]

Need to make is .z2g using the utility in help inside of Mastercam.

 

Thank you for giving something for someone to help you figure this out with.

[Jon D Morton]

Ok I have created a .Z2G file.  How do I upload?

[GS]

Regarding 42 planes.

Are these planes WCS planes or you count construction/tool planes too?

The way we work here, one WCS is one operation on the machine.

It is hard to believe a part needs to be moved 42 times to be completed.

Or I am missing something here.

 

Thank you.