What you think about it?

[betts]

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3. Bear in mind that even if you are buying a car made in america, the money may still be going overseas, even if it's built by american hands.

 

Eastech this is true, but only the profits and part of the tax dollars are going. The American worker is still being paid, and paying taxes, and supporting the average 18 service/supply jobs that each manufacturing job supports.

 

Your other points are good, and things that my family already does. And yes each one of us that make those decisions DOES make a difference.

[Nathan G. Baldwin]

A valid point of course, betts, But the profit is where the money is. Profit and Taxes are what make the country we live in have a great economy.

It's unfortunate that so many people are disgusted with the quality of american cars.

[mig]

Agree with James 100%

Sad,just sad.

Problem going deeper an deeper. Ohhhhh!

Future for our kids.......? Unclear.

[Die Sinker]

I joined my union(International Die Sinkers Conference)in 1964 as a brand new planer hand. Great wages, benefits and working conditions. Started to learn the trade from the ground up. Became a die sinker apprentice and started my 8-year apprenticeship. The owner always felt that he wanted union people in his shop because of the training they had and the experience. I worked in union shops(2 years off-U.S.Army Vietnam-1966-67) until I was layed off for the last time in 1993. Then I started working in smaller non-union shops-got great wages, benefits and other perks on the experience that I had. But I didn't have to follow assinine union rules and work rules. Surprising how much more work can get done! And the owners were happy with their profits. Yes. I always felt that the union was protecting the job of the LAZIEST, MOST UNPRODUCTIVE WORKERS. The unions were very good in their time to bring the 40 hour workweek, safer working conditions and benefits to families. But the unions ruined it for themselves. The union officers always figured everyone was ENTITLED, not did they really deserve it!

 

When I started to learn NC machining and MC in the early 90's(all of this in night school to prepare for the future), the owner of the LAST union shop I worked for wanted to start a new classification for an NC person doing MC. The union turned the proposal down. I then quit and went to work for his son who had a NON-UNION shop. The son then bought his first Haas and a seat of MC. I retired from this shop in 2003 due to my loss of sight in one eye. But at that time he had 3 seats of MC, 2 Hass' and two very large NC machines. He is still in business! His father had to close his shop in 2001 and put all those union guys out of work because he could not stay competitive. The union shot itself in the foot. Many unions today are just not willing to change with the times. They are dinosaurs. Been on both sides.

[U.K. PRECISION INC.]

And you all voted for Bushy boy who totally supports and actually gives a tax break to farm stuff overseas?

[Matt Berube at Ferron Mold]

Bush is still way better than the alternative.

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Bush is still way better than the alternative.

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[thoskins]

It is truly sad when all we can say is "Bush is better than the alternative". It would be nice if there were a set of checks and balances that would make poloticians actually accountable for their actions. Accountable to us not themselves. The only time we get a say is at elections when we get to vote for whom they pick out.

[Matt Berube at Ferron Mold]

Let's just hope there is at least one great candidate next time around...

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I'd settle for mediocre.

[moldmaker10]

First time since I was able to vote that I was undecided on my presidential choice. It is sad to say but yes I voted for Bush because of the alternative. People had better wake up and realize China is our nations biggest threat, economicall and militarily. We are obligated to defend Tiawan against invasion and China will invade its only a matter of time. All our boys will be killed by weapons paid for by corporate greed and the american consumer buying that imported crap. Also yes the unions have out lived their usefulness. About the big 3, I personally don't see how the average household affords to buy a new car at the prices they are asking now. Most americans are in debt up to their eyeballs and if a slow down hits their job they could find themselves homeless and car less. In my town 2 houses are being auctioned off today as well as 80 acres of property.

[toolsman]

All I can say is we are supposed to be a self sufficient nation. I hope we start acting like one soon, before we are all out of a job.

[CAM-mando]

protectionism or Supposed Free Trade

CAFTA - Son Of NAFTA

 

More on CAFTA

CAFTA Video

More on CAFTA

[mig]

I hardly believe : Who buying Chinese crap cutting legs of own bench.

Who sending job over sea has to pay double or triple taxes or more .

[john_070]

Eastech 1 I can't survive on forty hour check.

[CAM-mando]

Recieved this this morning and thought it was relavent to this thread.

 

 

Texas Straight Talk

Ron Paul (R-Texas)

 

Does the WTO Serve Our Interests?

 

May 16, 2005

 

Last week I had an opportunity to present the case against US membership in the World Trade Organization at a seminar in Washington. Later this summer Congress will have a similar opportunity to raise objections about the WTO when several colleagues and I bring a resolution to the House floor seeking the wholesale withdrawal of the US from the organization.

 

The World Trade Organization by its own admission is not just about trade. According to the WTO website, liberalizing trade actually takes a back seat to its more activist ambitions, such as “development”-- a euphemism for wealth-transfers from rich nations to poor nations. Likewise, their own website promises that, “In the WTO, commercial interests do not take priority over environmental protection.” In 1994 the WTO created the Trade and Environment Committee to bring “environmental and sustainable development issues into the mainstream of WTO work.” What does this mean? It would not take much imagination to tie any environmental issue to trade and thus invite WTO meddling.

 

What about the Kyoto Accords, the international agreement that aims to solve the supposed problem of global warming? Clearly the Kyoto Accords, to which the United States has not agreed, will affect world trade. Will this be an open door for the WTO to act as enforcer toward the United States and other countries that refuse to sign Kyoto? Two leading UN observers, Henry Lamb of Sovereignty International and Cathie Adams of Texas Eagle Forum, have reported that the WTO is widely recognized as the enforcement tool of choice for the Kyoto treaty.

 

Even Newt Gingrich, a supporter of American membership in the WTO, recognized in 1994 that far more than trade rules were at stake:

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I am just saying that we need to be honest about the fact that we are transferring from the United States at a practical level significant authority to a new organization. This is a transformational moment. I would feel better if the people who favor this would just be honest about the scale of change.... This is not just another trade agreement. This is adopting something which twice, once in the 1940s and once in the 1950s, the U.S. Congress rejected. I am not even saying that we should reject it; I, in fact, lean toward it. But I think we have to be very careful, because it is a very big transfer of power.

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In reality, the WTO is the third leg of the globalists’ plan for a one-world, centrally-managed economic system. The intention behind the creation of the WTO was to have a third institution to handle the trade side of international economic cooperation, joining two institutions created by Bretton Woods, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. For the United States to give up any bit of its sovereignty to these unelected and unaccountable organizations is economic suicide. International organizations can never “manage” trade better than it naturally occurs in a true free market of goods and services. At best, WTO acts as a meddling middleman, taking a cut for unnecessary services provided. At worst, it forces the United States to change its domestic laws in ways that seriously harm our economy and our sovereignty.

 

Economist Murray Rothbard said it best: You don’t need a treaty to have free trade. Governments and quasi-government bodies like the WTO can only politicize and interfere with the natural flow of goods and services across borders. When we cede even a fraction of our sovereignty to an organization like the WTO, we can hardly hope to become more prosperous or more free.

[Guest]

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You don’t need a treaty to have free trade. Governments and quasi-government bodies like the WTO can only politicize and interfere with the natural flow of goods and services across borders. When we cede even a fraction of our sovereignty to an organization like the WTO, we can hardly hope to become more prosperous or more free.

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AMEN

 

Our freedom and sovereignty are up for sale to the highest bidder. When the lemmings wake up and realize this, I fear it will be too late.