Hurco question

[Reverend Turk]

My boss is looking at purchasing a new lathe and a maching center. We currently have a Haas TL-1 and at my other job I run a Haas VF-3. I am comfortable with them but we have had problems with the TL-1 creating a profile using the IPS. We were trying to do something similiar to a pawn not using MC. My boss now feels that the Haas is useless unless we can program everything right at the machine.

 

So...what do you know about Hurco and can anyone give me a break down of Haas vs. Hurco?

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DO NOT....I repeat..DO NOT buy a Hurco thinking the conversational programming is gonna do EVERYTHING

 

Edit: I can not compare because I've never ran a HAAS Lathe, but I severely DISLIKE the Hurco TM-8 that we have.

 

We might have got a lemon and others might not be as bad but we have had nothing but trouble out of this machine. I know all the Tech people personally because of this machine....they seem almost like co-workers because they are in the shop so much.

 

[ 05-01-2009, 10:23 AM: Message edited by: murraymold ]

[Jack Neelands™]

You get a Hurco ...you will be HURCOFIED....Former bosses made the mistake of buying one expecting to get one like the showroom floor model....what they got was a Bitsa ...they pieced together a machine that they were originally scrounging parts from to repair others in the area...Their logic was "It was faster to order new parts for the Bitsa and put it back together than to order a new machine"

[Reverend Turk]

My boss seems to think that all prgramming should be able to be done as conversational at the machine. Thus the reason he is thinking Hurco due to the dxf convertor.

[Programinator]

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My boss seems to think that all prgramming should be able to be done as conversational at the machine.

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big mistake

[pip]

Your boss is correct, if you cant programm at the machine how can you check if the code from mastercam is right.

I always make sure a programmer can program the machine at the control before I let them start programming with any cam system. The parts only have to be simple parts.

I used to program a Hurco at the control for simple ops, and when something was a bit complicated, I would program it with mastercam. It actualy worked quicker this way. Toolroom work.

[Reverend Turk]

pip..by program at the machine i meant using conversational. I know G code and have no issue doing things that way but he feels every part should be able to be programmed using conversational at the machine

[heavychevy2155]

Mastercam Lathe cost alot less than a new lathe. You can do so much more with MCX lathe than the Haas conversational programming, and you have all the programs stored on the computer and very easy to revise the part or just look at the path.

[generaldisarray]

Machine tools are for making parts,not programing.That is why they make computers.

For what its worth, I dont even waste my time looking at a machine If it doesnt Have a Fanuc control and Fanuc drives.

[peon]

We have two Hurco's on the shop floor. The toolmakers program all the 2d geometry on the machine and I program all the surfacing and difficult 2d in MCX. This system works awesome and the toolmakers love it.

[Reverend Turk]

Yes, I understand all this. I agree but he feels that simple profiles like say, a pawn chess piece should be easily programmed via the IPS.

 

BTW, he does not like Mastercam at all. He seems to think things are much quicker programming at the machine. He is old school and wants to move into better technology but for him this is using IPS or conversational instead of g coding.

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If your boss is that Anal and narrow minded......RUN LIKE HELL

 

Seriuosly, I worked for a guy like that and It aint no fun.

[Programinator]

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RUN LIKE HELL [big Grin]

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Make sure you have a job to run to......there is not much out there!!

[yortech]

I had run Hurco Mill for two years, and our 90% programs are made at machines. If most of your parts are just 2D machining, I would suggest you to go with Hurco. Its conversational editor is really easy to use.

[G10X0Y0Z0]

stay away from the HURCO, Haas is a better machine for the money

[Reverend Turk]

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stay away from the HURCO, Haas is a better machine for the money

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Can you tell me why?

[peon]

I've been exposed to 4 Hurco machining centers. We only had a problem with software, but after some software updates, the problems are now eliminated. All four of the machines were otherwise bulletproof. We have not had any quality issues with these machines. Haas does not match the same quality, but for the price, I've made alot of money with them. Haas does have templates in the controller that allow you to program parts while entering dimensions from your drawing, but it does not allow any cad data to be downloaded into its controller. That is the STRONG feature with a Hurco.

 

[ 05-06-2009, 09:51 AM: Message edited by: peon ]

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One more thing.....we have 3 Hurco's, 1 lathe and 2 VMX's and they should come with a squeegee and a mop because they all 3 leak coolant and way-oil like crazy and that is a pain in the arse!

[Jack Neelands™]

If your boss wants to program at the machine....point him to an Okuma....Their IGF programming is easy to learn and worth the while with a more rigid machine

 

 

HTH