X4 Rest Roughing problems

[neil qwerty]

Sounds like you got it, but just in case:

 

 

 

[Thee Rickster ™]

Is there a way to turn off rapid moves temporarily

when you show a path?

 

Here is before I picked cad file and the next is after, both suck worse then the original path...lol

 

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tons of rapids too

 

I have to give up for now, as I got to get some work done.

 

Peon, and Ocean do you have any pics of these alleged normal looking rest rough path that you have done? Or a video?...

 

thanks a ton for your tips, I must be missing a few clicks or settings.

[peon]

That looks like an issue with improper linking parameters. Try this:

[Thee Rickster ™]

IS this to fix the thousands of rapids?

 

Yeah, but it is still cutting the surfaces like a watering path. It is also missing areas of the waterline like tool lines. so far the original path I started

with was much nicer but cutting on the surfaces rather than rest roughing.

 

I will keep on it as I have a few more molds coming up that should require rest roughing

 

Thanks a bunch.

 

Rick

[peon]

[Thee Rickster ™]

Mine are always st to 5."

[peon]

Rick, you may want to monitor this thread. I have a retract problem on occasion that may be identical to yours.

 

http://www.emastercam.com/cgi-bin/ultimate...ic&f=1&t=035136

[Mark Baker CNC Software]

Rickster, did you happen to use "turbo" mode in verify?

 

Using "Turbo" doesn't give you a realistic stl file. If you happen to look at the stl file (xform/stl) you'll see that it doesn't look like it did in verify. If you're going to save the stl in verify, then you should use "simulate tool" with the "fast forward".

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Rickster,

Did you ever get it to work correctly?

 

I have found out that rest rough works okay with smaller files, but my files are about like yours. 90% of them are 200 to 600Mb and it DOES NOT work worth a damn on bigger files.

 

Check this thread

http://www.emastercam.com/cgi-bin/ultimate...ic;f=1;t=035170

[Bob W.]

I have given up on the HST rest mill roughing HST tool paths and I use a waterline finishing pass using rest material for my rest roughing. It is much more efficient than the rest roughing toolpaths and it doesn't bury the cutter in tight pockets.

[Bob W.]

Just out of curiosity, how are the other CAM packages out there doing with the high speed toolpaths and reliability? There are tons of Surfcam truemill videos on Youtube and it really makes me wonder if I am still using the best CAM package, or if Mastercam is being surpassed.

[MotorCityMinion]

The best CAM package is the one that suits the needs of the shop the majority of the time. I am totally satisfied with MC's 2D machining capabilities and ease of use. Been working with the standard 3d paths for over a year now and they're getting easier to use and control. I don't like the roughing HSTs and stay away from them for now.

 

The HSM Performance pack from Cimco (MC add-on), offers up some nice roughing paths, they just look more logical all around. Their 3D paths are much smoother than MC's but a little bit harder to control (starting location). Tool path calculation time flies. Their latest version now supports check surfaces. Awesome verify and backplot as well. Free trial. Wait till you get a Monster project, then give it a try. (Does this sound like an AD?)

 

From what I've read (no real experience here), Surfcam's Truemill leads the pack for chip thinning type tool paths. I personally don't like the interface of the entire package, it feels awkward to me, but that may be just lack of experience with the software itself.

 

[ 09-12-2009, 10:54 AM: Message edited by: MotorCityMinion ]

[Thee Rickster ™]

I should NOT, I REPEAT NOT, have to buy more(3rd party software) to

do rest roughing etc. I encounter bigger issues Mc

rest roughing and rest waterline paths as the parts get more complex in X4. Some time I can narrow it down to getting rid of splines in containment boundary's then it goes to crap again on the next one no matter how clean the boundary!!

 

Getting a little frustrated trying to make molds here.

 

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Rickster,

Did you ever get it to work correctly

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No, and most times I cant get a 1/8 and 1/16 ball to show a cut what so ever.

 

I really hope CNC gets these paths working.

PLease.

[Bob W.]

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I really hope CNC gets these paths working.

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Nope, they will be spending all of their time on new fangled features.

[Müřlıń®]

Hey Rickster, I noticed you have your toolpath labled as a 1 deg, the one with the red arrow pointing at the troublesome rest path.

 

Are you using a defined drafted cutter or a plain ball?

[Thee Rickster ™]

I program with straight cutters (Plain ball) but put in appropriate tapered diesinks for strength and

rigidity, the same taper as the draft.

[Müřlıń®]

Ah ok...hrm....

 

I thought you might be trying to program with a tapered mill..

 

Well I am all out of Ideas on Rest Mill...

 

 

My X4 CD is still in the box.....

 

X3 MU1 working way too good to want to change anything

 

Hijack:

 

Although I would like to try the new smoothing toolpaths...

 

Hijack off:

 

 

How come your files are so big man?

 

By the pic, that die dosen't look that big?

 

Is it an STL or sumpthin?

[Thee Rickster ™]

Murlin, It works perfect in X3 and does not work

in X4.... Just like all the other rest material paths

 

Its gotta be a bug other wise it would also work

in X4 like it does in X3..

 

I've proved it! See link above.

 

Now we Wait...

 

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By the pic, that die doesn't look that big?

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That one is a small one, 104 meg.(the path just doesn't work)

 

 

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X3 MU1 working way too good to want to change anything

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BINGO!!

Now stop making me angry for installing and using X4 before the Mu1 got released...lol

Cheers

Rick

[Thee Rickster ™]

Murlin, the smoothig and the multi threading are the cats meow, in X!

[Müřlıń®]

oops

[Müřlıń®]

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BINGO!!

Now stop making me angry for installing and using X4 before the Mu1 got released...lol

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Rofl...Sorry man... not trying to wub it in...

 

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the smoothig and the multi threading are the cats meow, in X

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I will neva know I guess...had to let my maintenence go...

 

But hopefully there are enough things the DO work in the first release of X4 that would make installing it worth it...

 

Sounds like there is...as long as you keep x3..