1 click vs. 3 pecks. it's a no brainer. ~~~~~~~~~~~ That`s your personal preference . Depends on what you are regular to . I work with keyboard fast (with my eyes closed ) I hate programs using mouse heavily like Cimatron (they use all the right ,middle and left clicks and all their combination L+M+R ,L+R,M+R ). My hand is aching after the day work . Some people like it (no need to work with keyboard !!! I hate . This is personal .

The old dog does not want to learn nre tricks plain and simple. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Huh ? You mean the dog is me ,eh ?

i AM HAPPY WITH MY hAAS EXPERIENCE . Second working place with Haases Vm3 ,Vf3 mostly Do not push them too hard and don`t expect them to be Matzura or Okuma . Definetly bette rthan my former DMC- 63V machine .

serious parts ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LOL What do you call serious . In my mold days there were serious toolpathes and simple technology and set-up . Now it is opposite APprox 300 toolpathes 4 axes 3 days of programming from scratch . And not one HSM toolpath

My specific of my current work is that I need to produce lots of code most of it pocket ,contour and drill . Sometimes surface-parallel or contour Sometimes 4-5 axes swarf or contour 5x Lot`s of 5x positioning And i am fast with v9 And have no free time at all . I am working 10-12 hours every day and can not eat out all the job I simply have no time for playing . Looking toward what other guys write about bugs make me not happy at all . And drawing is slow . Just say what you want ,it is SLOWWWW . i NEED TO DISPERCE MY ATTENTION ALL OVER THE SCREEN WHILE IN 9 I AM FLYING . i tried many times . I feel discomfort So from one side I have no urgent need for X2 I `ve installed it and use from time to time . Still when it comes to real work I use v9 Your arguments like WE WILL LOOSE JOBS NOT RELIVANT AT all We are winning jobs . It is not a software ,it is programmer that make good parts fast enough . This is my personal point of view . I always say what I think and say it straight in tthe eyes . I am not a lawyer.

hE IS GONE ,but I am in. And you know what drives me "uncomfortable " Gui interface mostly . Too many clicks disperced all over the screen

I will tell you and challenge any one out there that a programmer with an equal amount of training on 9 or x can get the job done in about the same time. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Close to my words I only say ver9 is faster . Never mind ,x has a future .I only will wait to migrate in appropriate time . In a meantime I play with it to be ready

stay with 2000

This is personal . May be you miss solids

Time will show . I will migrate in appropriate time

I am sure your competition will be very excited about this. You're only hurting yourself. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now come on ! This is kinda low ,funny argument ,designed against his boss ,maybe . Just prove it to me . I tried x2 in advanced things like high speed machining and I like it . 99% of my work is 2.5-3 axes stuff and 4-5 axes positioning I do it fast I AM CONFORTABLE . I do not feel same comfortable in X . I do use it for converting purposes ,though .

i TEnd to agree with Crazy^Millman I never use Wcs at all ,always c-plane and tplane and WCS off Found a couple of issues with WCS

What is Vista ?

Art is so simple to learn ! I bet it will take you no more than 2 hours

Thank you ,I will If you can sent me both ,that will be great We are buying tr160 .

You can import operations w/ geometry from active MC file. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That`s what I mean

no But I built my own for tr210 Very primitive ,though ,only important boundaries I also built all my custom fixtures

YES.uSE save to library and get from library

Do not use all caps on Do not purcase - waste of time and money

No .Pete ,just pushing escape a couple of times I dont look on the keyboard

I USE X2 MOSTLY FOR CONVERTING What I like in X2 is mostly in NC : New toolpathes More tools able to make undercuts negative surface offset full support To James : I want you to make CLEE in ver 9 (create->line->endpoints->endpoint ) And just try same fast to do it in ver X2 Take note to ammount of clicks . I can go on and on .... I will fully migrate to X when I at least would not loose speed

I am one of programmers . Saying that ,I want to add that I am very fast with ver 9 and I really do not see lot`s of useful features in X2 ,that would justify my efforts . While Being the beta tester of X , I raised ? of inrerface and speed of work . On MHO ,it loose the race against ver 9 in design work It may be exra fast in repeative tasks ,but I can challenge everyone of you in your custome X2 against me in my custome ver9 . I am sure I would be faster at least 30-50 % . And you know why . I am old -timer and like to work with custom geometries when I really nead it . That`s why I brake tools rarely . When someone works with hog mill dia 10 and 120 mm height or dia 2 35 mm height in 5 axes you need to be creative in ver9 it is an easy task In verX2 it is ... come on ,you know yourself Too much windows ,clicks all over the screen ,parameters here and there . It drives me crasy . [ 02-19-2007, 01:52 AM: Message edited by: Iskander teh Owl ]

Doun with your speed .dO NOT BE AFRAID TO DRASTICALLY DOUNRATE YOUR RPM

We milling today 316 after heat treatment With Varimill 12 mm V=45M/MIN AND FZ=0.045 MM/MIN downstep 6 mm sidestep 1/3 -1/2 diameter WORKS GREAT and I would use greater feed if it was more rigid setup

Hanita Varimill!!!!!!!! These things eat Stainless up! You can run a 1/2 varimill all day in this stuff. ~~~~~~~~~~~ +1000 This is my first choice in stainless in anything from 3 to 5 axes Never ends . Low vibration . High feed. Love them