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Charles Davis · May 31, 2001

No legitimate company would touch such a thing. Besides it being unethical, that such things often are very buggy or worse, this is a felony.

What company, with thousands invested in machines, tooling, and people, would risk throwing it all away (or even risk just terribly embarassing themselves to the world)?

Webby · May 31, 2001

A helpful link has been flashing at you from the bottom of this page for months.

cadcam · May 31, 2001

good reply webby.

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May 31, 2001

Or here if you don't want to go all the way to the bottom of the page.

http://www.nopiracy.com

On a related note, software piracy not only hurts Mastercam, but it hurts the reseller severely(sp?). I would estimate that in the (909) area code alone, piracy among machine shops is in the 75-80% range(and I'm being kind). Meaning that 75 to 80 out of every 100 shops is using bootleg Mastercam in one form or another. If Mastercam could count the Bootleg in the CIMData reports, Mastercam would surely have over 50% market share (At least in Southern California).

Later,

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Michael Reynolds · May 31, 2001

Gotcha...

Mike R.

Kenneth Potter · May 31, 2001

When a guy starts bragging about a cracked product.I just let em rant on till he spills all the beans on himself. Then i turn em in.

I Had my suspicions about a few shops i"v visited over the past. There brouchers & web pages point out that that have two seats of this & 1 seat of that software blaa blaa.

But when I,m in there cad room i see a lot more than they claim. HUmmmmmmmmm

Kenneth Potter

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Note to self

Go back to those shops & look for missing keys.

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gcode · May 31, 2001

When you hit ALT V on a legal system

you get the version # and copyblock serial # across the bottom of the screen.

What do you get when you hit ALT V on a

cracked copy of MC???

cadcam · May 31, 2001

the same thing but the #'s are diffrent.

i have seen a crack for ver8, how i new there was no key and the ALT "V" came up with a key of 12345-I come on now.

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LOL!!!!!!!!!

To all the bootleggers watching this topic, I hope you didn't **** off any ex-employees, they are eventually going to turn your $%^* in!

Don't bother with the excuses, "It's too expensive", etc... ad-infinitum. It's part of the cost of doing business. Deal with it. You don't walk into Staples and Steal a ream of paper claiming "It's too expensive" do you? I didn't think so. It's part of the cost of doing business. I just spent $850 for Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server(5 licenses), why? Because I'm using it, and Microsoft deserves their ROI.

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gcode · May 31, 2001

Mastercam should offer a reward for turning

in companies using cracked software.

May 31, 2001

I don't think they(CNC SOftware) can do that legally. It's kind of like "Paying for testimony", but, maybe you can "work $omething out" with your local dealer if they get a sale as a result of information you provide. I'd be willing to bet there is not a reseller out there that would reject a sale that came about as a result of "information" such as this.

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Elad · May 31, 2001

Good Idea!!

Just a little reward,not somthing big that they can't afford.

(another licence could be nice reward)

Allan Brown · May 31, 2001

While we're at it, our justice system could be overhauled into an incentive-based program where those who elect not to commit crimes are rewarded with valuable Air Miles.

[This message has been edited by Dave Thomson (edited 05-31-2001).]

cadcam · May 31, 2001

dave so how many miles could we get.

i like this thoght.

now james you seem a little mad and were did that quote come from?

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Michael Reynolds · May 31, 2001

Hot topic, huh? I agree. What happened to peoples morals? I was raised to believe that stealing was, like, WRONG. I don't know what I'll do about it, other than chastise the *&($#@ out of these people until they either go legit or erase the program from their systems.

Thanks for all your wisdom, though...

Mike R.

May 31, 2001

Well, yes I am pissed!

As many of you know I am(was, as of June 8, 2001) a Mastercam reseller and It's soooooooo hard to compete with the bootleg stuff out there. I go do a demo, show them all the cool stuff in the new version. They ask for a quote. I send it to them. They don't return my phone calls and their employees show up in my Mastercam class "So they can learn the software so their boss will buy Mastercam". Uh huh. Not that it doesn't happen that way,because it does. More often than not they start asking questions after a little while that leads me to believe they are using it more than in the classroom and at home(with the Demo Software I sold them). Very disheartening.

So, I decided to go back into the ranks as a programmer (I'm not really sad about it, I just don't like failure in myself) Not that I don't like programming, as a matter of fact I thoroughly enjoy it. I'd do it for free if I was independantly wealthy. I was just hoping I could be a better sales person than I am. I guess a leopard can't change it's spots. A tech guy is always a tech guy. So that's my story. I'm just so $%*$^((% mad about the situation out here and there's not a %^&(%&)^_ I can do about it unless someone comes outright and tells me "Hey I'm running Mastercam" or "Hey My company is running Bootleg Mastercam" which does happen pretty often.

So keep reporting them if you get the chance. Maybe you can save some poor salesman's job and so that Mastercam can continue to develop kick @$$ software in the future and we can all machine the most trick stuff on the planet.

Out!

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Michael Reynolds · May 31, 2001

Hey James, just a thought here, but what if individuals ARE using the crack at HOME to learn the software AND going back to their companies and trying to get them to buy it, cuz now they know it? I'm IN NO WAY advocating stealing the stuff, but look at autocad. Everyone and thier brother has a bootleg copy of it at home (but me). So they play with it, and play with it, and play with it until they're pretty good at it. Then they go to thier boss and say "hey, lets BUY autocad, cuz I know it!". I've always heard that autocad uses that as a marketing tool.

Whadaya think?

Respectfully,

cadcam · May 31, 2001

James i am with you and understand.

now that i am trying to give support to Cad-cam consulting i have to let them know every time i go to a shop to do a Predator demo along with the mastercam if they have Mastercam running and should not be of course.

By the way i have in the past any ways but more now like you said that is my pocket that will be a little light if i don't.

so how's it going there at the home front.

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What I'm talking about is the guys that are using it in the shop not the guys using it at home (which in no way am I advocating). I'm talking about the guys that after I go and do a demo(they say they have no CAM experience), don't buy, their employees show up in my class more knowledgeable than experience at home would show. I can just tell who's using it at work by the types of questions they ask. The guys practicing at home ask completely different types of questions, than the bootleggers.

Jay,

The homefront is cool. My son plays baseball tonight. Yipee. I love watching baseball!

Later,

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CycleTimeCharles · May 31, 2001

I am sure the Mastercam competitors complain more about MC bootlegs than you do.

Don't be too hard on yourself James, we appreciated all your input, but a little less time on the net would of made more sales.

cadcam · May 31, 2001

Hey cycle time your ending statment was a little harsh there.

James works real hard on sale's and really hard on support that is were he most of the time including teaching in the evening at the collage were he teachs Mastercam.

but being a salesman was not his netch but support he kicks but along with programming.

if i could aford him i would of hired him for my team.

i just have to settle with his time once in a while.

later jay

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