SOLID HELP

[mirek1017]

well done..... and you are welcome....I hope you learned something....

 

I hope you see the wisdom of extending the helix's past part...

 

Glad to help and good luck.  BTW I used a 1.32 solid face to face fillet and it worked good for the valley radius.......

 

 

One last note to everyone:  This was my first real modeling job in X9.

I will have to say that I was very impressed with how well everything works now.

 

The new NX solid  kernel is really easy to use and one does not have to use the C-hook for creating helix's.

I would say this is the best version of Mastercam so far and I can't wait to see what future improvements are made in 2017.

 

 

well done..... and you are welcome....I hope you learned something....

 

I hope you see the wisdom of extending the helix's past part...

 

Glad to help and good luck.  BTW I used a 1.32 solid face to face fillet and it worked good for the valley radius.......

 

 

One last note to everyone:  This was my first real modeling job in X9.

I will have to say that I was very impressed with how well everything works now.

 

The new NX solid  kernel is really easy to use and one does not have to use the C-hook for creating helix's.

I would say this is the best version of Mastercam so far and I can't wait to see what future improvements are made in 2017.

Murlin ,sorry for bother you i have a problem, firs  i can make flat boundry on the bathom end and second  if I make solid  I can not make filets  rad between 2 faces .I tried to do it again from the beginning and every time I can not make close curve chain on the bottom of the part .

[mkd]

^^^ Trouble maker

Bloody clever these Germans...

^^that is the consensus among the French^^

 

In truth; it's bloody clever Indians.... from India

that is where the code is being created, from what i've heard.

[Müřlıń®]

 

 

Murlin ,sorry for bother you i have a problem, firs  i can make flat boundry on the bathom end and second  if I make solid  I can not make filets  rad between 2 faces .I tried to do it again from the beginning and every time I can not make close curve chain on the bottom of the part .

 

 

Your geometry was different from mine.

 

Your last helix was longer and so the tangent numbers used were not correct for the fillet size.   And I broke all my wires into 180 degree segments for that reason...

 

I didn't try to put a fillet on your solid but I knew there was a 50 50 chance yours would not work but I was in a hurry...

 

I can get a 1.36 fillet to go most of the way down on yours,  but there is a problem somewhere.

 

These are the things you run into and it is normal...

 

Remember same same??

 

 

 

I tried to make everything same same for this reason on my model.

 

See how my wire frame was broken? the lines on the surfaces give it away.

 

See the small fillet segment in between each in red?

I broke up all the chains so  the fillet would not have to be calculated the entire length of the part, it could start over at each section due to inconsistencies...little trick I know...

 

I could also use these shorter segments to create a variable fillet of some sort in the valley by non conventional means.

 

Let me see If I can come up with a fix for your model.

[Müřlıń®]

Master80, without spending alot of time going back over your model, I cannot get a solid fillet to work on your geometry, I can get a 1.36 to go all the way down to

the last turn on the auger, but it wigs out and stops there.

 

So the easy fix button here is just put a surface fillet on before you turn it into a solid....

It works just fine.  I used a 1.36 also for the surface fillet but you can try a different size just start at 1.32 and keep increasing .01 until you get one to go...

 

This is what I would have had to do if for some reason my solid fillet did not want to work either....Sometimes, no matter what you do or how hard you try to make something one way, it just will not work the way you

want it to when working with solids...especially fillets...This is why, on complicated parts like this we go with surfaces and solidify it in the end.

Nature of the beast... as a general rule, surface fillets will ALWAYS build easier than solid fillets....in ANY software package. 

 

You had so much leeway here this fillet was real easy...however if we were required to actually hold the 8" dia valley like the print, and called out valley radii, it would be an entirely different, complicated issue...

 

There is one thing I would change though.... Each turn on this auger gets smaller to give it more power at the end and your last turn gets bigger... l would shorten it up more like the print...but that's just me I am picky. 

 

But since you appear to have wide open engineering leeway here, just rebuild your top and bottom surfaces so they extend above and below part so the fillet has enough room to extend past the trim lines so you get a full trim, rebuild your flat boundaries, and turn it into a solid again.

 

Another reason why I extended my surfaces so far above and below.....method to the madness....

 

 

This is your model.

[mirek1017]

surfaces

[Müřlıń®]

Your fillet is not trimmed to your other surfaces.

 

You cannot have any left over surfaces, uneven trims, duplicate surfaces.

 

Every surface has to be trimmed exactly before turning it into a solid.

[mirek1017]

I know , but look at the lower part ,when i trim the surface i want make flat boundry show mi the chain is not close .

[Müřlıń®]

I know , but look at the lower part ,when i trim the surface i want make flat boundry show mi the chain is not close .Well then extent

well then extend the splines and trim them and if your flat boundary function ask if you want to close chain say yes...

 

Post up your file with the surfaces extended past all your trim lines when you are done getting the file straitened out. 

 

 

Master 80 I am looking at the last file you sent me and you have not broken your chains on the same quadrant.

 

All the trim lines should line up in a row. You will get gaps in your surfaces if they are not all in a row.

 

Do it over until your file is clean and you have all your ducks in a row....you just cant go break everything anywhere you want.

 

See how my surface breaks all line up?  That is because all my splines are broken on the same line.

 

 

[mirek1017]

this is after flat baundry

[Müřlıń®]

Sorry but you are not ready to put a flat boundary on the bottom....fillet not trimmed to walls and there are gaps....fix it.

 

Since you have broken all your helixs in the wrong place you will have to revert back to a previous save...you do have inc save on yes???

 

I set my inc save to 50.

[Müřlıń®]

Master80 I have fixed your file so you can do the fillet.

 

After putting on a 1.36 surface fillet with the TRIM button checked, delete all unnecessary surfaces in the model after trimming to your upper and lower trim curves....

 

 

There cannot be any surfaces inside the model that don't belong and that are not trimmed correctly....

 

Once trimmed.....remake the flat boundaries and turn  into a solid.

 

 

 

augerfix.mcx-9

[mirek1017]

after flat boundry

[Müřlıń®]

NOPE!    use my model above and please try to read again what I have typed...I realize we have a communication problem.

[mirek1017]

ok I'm sorry ,first I ryour email

[Müřlıń®]

np

[mirek1017]

Murlin ,maybe I have something wrong in my  stings ,I do  filet an your file and do not make filet on  middle of part

[Müřlıń®]

Well reverse that surface normal dude....

 

I kept one reversed on purpose....you must check your normal's I have already stated that.

[guitar]

This would have been done much easier and quicker in NX. 

[Müřlıń®]

 

This would have been done much easier and quicker in NX. 

Incorrect...i did it very quickly....just as fast as NX.

 

Give or take an hr or so and that hr does not justify spending 10k more on software.

 

Don't come shoot off your mouth unless you back it up with proof.     

[THEE THAINZ™]

Murlin, if they haven't offered you a dealers license yet they should. I can't think of a better spokes person from what I just seen.

[Guest]

Murlin, if they haven't offered you a dealers license yet they should. I can't think of a better spokes person from what I just seen.

 

For all it's worth, mine was just pulled.

 

So this and $2 will get you a cup of coffee

[#Rekd™]

Murlin, if they haven't offered you a dealers license yet they should. I can't think of a better spokes person from what I just seen.

+1000 to that, awesome job Murlin!!

[mirek1017]

new

[Müřlıń®]

Master80 we seem to be having a real communication problem and for that I apologize.

 

 

The reason your file will not boolean the top flange is that your solid is not clean....

 

You did not trim the fillet, there are numerous other non wanted surfaces.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As we all can see here the secret to success in modeling in any software package is knowing your Software....

[mirek1017]

exactly