Small VMC Recomendations?

[#Rekd™]

I think the Brother is a little more "Heavy duty" than the Robodrill but I if I needed to do any real milling I would stick to a 40taper/HSK63a machine. We have over 20 robodrills here and while they are awesome/accurate machines, there are limits to a BT30 interface. I would go for:

 

Makino PS95

Matsuura VX-1000

Okuma 

Maybe even a Doosan.

 

Mike

We have serious limitations on space and getting a machine in.

 

Our hallway is 93 1/4" clear access and the door frames are 6ft wide.

[Mr. M]

Okuma 44V would be a 40 taper to look at. Otherwise a Hardinge V480 (GX480 replacement) might be another option.

[GoetzInd]

 

We have serious limitations on space and getting a machine in.

 

Our hallway is 93 1/4" clear access and the door frames are 6ft wide.

I got ya. If your going to go BT30 drill tap machine I would probably lean toward fanuc. Even if a little lighter duty, (not by much if any depending on model), they are very reliable, fast and very accurate for a machine with out a chiller. Plus I would much rather have a 31i instead of a Brother control (we have both).

 

Mike

[jlw™]

You could buy a Tormach or 15 for the price of one robodrill.

[mkd]

 

Robodrill is excellent.

Brother is better and more rigid and more money.

If you go on PM, you might start to believe a 30taper Brother will smoke a CAT50. They all seem in love.

 

 

Haas DM??

seems like a tempting little package. speed of a 30taper but still able to use existing 40 taper tooling. standard 15k rpm and 15Hp

[Newbeeee™]

If you go on PM, you might start to believe a 30taper Brother will smoke a CAT50. They all seem in love.

 

seems like a tempting little package. speed of a 30taper but still able to use existing 40 taper tooling. standard 15k rpm and 15Hp

I've been on PM for longer than here..... where did that time go?

And yes, they do love the Brothers but I can see why. We swapped out our Robodrills and have a cell of 3x Feeler TV510's with 15k spindles and 30 tools.

For production, 95% of parts that fit in your hand, these machines will smoke #40 machines.

And even if the job is a similar time to a #40 machine, the fact that you can have 2x #30's in place of 1x #40 means you have a lot more productivity per footprint. 

I have zero regrets initially going with the Robodrills - apart from we should have done it 5 years before when we initially started the business.

[#Rekd™]

So far we have budgetary quotes on Fanuc RoboDrill, Brother Speedio, Doosan DNM 400 II, Hurco VM10i and Bridgeport GX 710.

 

Which one of these would you pick and why?

 

Is there any other makes I should look at?

[Mjölnir]

 

Is there any other makes I should look at?

 

Mitsubishi.

 

http://www.millenniummachinery.com/products/milling-machines

 

We've got two DV 1600's, 63" x 35" travel, and 1 DV 1000, 40" x 20" travel. The DV 1000 has a remarkably small foot print for a machine with it's travel. The Mitsubishi controls are great and they don't nickel and dime the chit out of you with options such as high speed look head and networking. The spindles are excellent, all three of ours have 15K CAT 40. They are well built, rigid, durable and dependable. Also Millenium is great to work with, don't have a single complaint about them. 1000 PSI Chip Blaster TSC cooling systems are available for them, won't buy another machine without it.

 

In the next year, we'll be retiring the last of, a couple machines older than 10 years old, and replacing them with DV 1000's.

 

Anything else you'd like to know?

[jlw™]

I've never had my hands on a mitsubishi machine or control but mitsubishi also makes Mazatrol. Looking at the screenshots on their website I bet money I could run the crap out of one from first touch.

 

Mazatrol is, in my opinion, the most operator friendly control available. If that mits is as similar as it looks to be, I'd say the same for it.

[#Rekd™]

Mitsubishi.

 

http://www.millenniummachinery.com/products/milling-machines

 

We've got two DV 1600's, 63" x 35" travel, and 1 DV 1000, 40" x 20" travel. The DV 1000 has a remarkably small foot print for a machine with it's travel. The Mitsubishi controls are great and they don't nickel and dime the chit out of you with options such as high speed look head and networking. The spindles are excellent, all three of ours have 15K CAT 40. They are well built, rigid, durable and dependable. Also Millenium is great to work with, don't have a single complaint about them. 1000 PSI Chip Blaster TSC cooling systems are available for them, won't buy another machine without it.

 

In the next year, we'll be retiring the last of, a couple machines older than 10 years old, and replacing them with DV 1000's.

 

Anything else you'd like to know?

The only thing that would concern me is support in our area (repair).

 

Are you using MC to program them? Did you purchase a post for them?

[Mjölnir]

I've never had my hands on a mitsubishi machine or control but mitsubishi also makes Mazatrol. Looking at the screenshots on their website I bet money I could run the crap out of one from first touch.

 

Mazatrol is, in my opinion, the most operator friendly control available. If that mits is as similar as it looks to be, I'd say the same for it.

 

we've got a couple mazaks and yes, in the electrical cabinets as well as, i'm pretty sure without getting up and looking, the servos, is mistsubishi hardware. however, the mitsubishi mv70 controls our mits mills are nothing like the matrix controls on the nexus's. they're user friendly enough to not be difficult or tedious to use, but they "feel" much more like a fanuc control than they do a mazak matrix. and, the mv70 control is embedded, there's no windows operating system sitting between the hardware and the control like there is on the mazak's.

[Mjölnir]

The only thing that would concern me is support in our area (repair).

 

Are you using MC to program them? Did you purchase a post for them?

 

Millennium is based out of Chicago and they've got techs constantly all over the north American continent. We do have a Millenium facility nearby here in Rochester. I don't know where all the others are. They also service our Roku-Roku and the new Ingersoll 5 axis mill, and the Ingersoll sinker EDM we purchased from them. And the Mits wire and sinker EDMs of course also. Never had a problem getting service from them and we're in New York.

 

I took our Mazak post which was purchased from our mastercam dealer and is based on the genric fanuc post and customized it to work on the Mitsubishi. I believe the generic Fanuc post would be pretty close sans maybe the high speed look ahead features which would be easy to get help with here.

[Matthew Hajicek - Singularity]

I spend five years at a job shop with a wide variety of old VMC's.  The Mitsubishi was "the tight one", that close tolerance jobs would be scheduled for.

[jlw™]

we've got a couple mazaks and yes, in the electrical cabinets as well as, i'm pretty sure without getting up and looking, the servos, is mistsubishi hardware. however, the mitsubishi mv70 controls our mits mills are nothing like the matrix controls on the nexus's. they're user friendly enough to not be difficult or tedious to use, but they "feel" much more like a fanuc control than they do a mazak matrix. and, the mv70 control is embedded, there's no windows operating system sitting between the hardware and the control like there is on the mazak's.

The screen shots and descriptions on the website look exactly like Matrix 2.

 

Fusion is still a decent control.

[Newbeeee™]

So far we have budgetary quotes on Fanuc RoboDrill, Brother Speedio, Doosan DNM 400 II, Hurco VM10i and Bridgeport GX 710.

 

Which one of these would you pick and why?

 

Is there any other makes I should look at?

We have Feeler TV510A's.

15KRPM, 30Tool BBT spindle, Coolant through spindle, Swarf Screw, Fanuc Alpha pack with 0imF control.

2/3 the price of a Robodrill.

 

But from your list, I think I'd go Robodrill.

[#Rekd™]

I am looking at the Mitsubishi now as well.

 

 

Mitsubishi MCV-800

[Newbeeee™]

I bet your wife hates taking you shopping...

[#Rekd™]

My wife hates shopping!!!

[RaiderX]

lucky man, keep her

[#Rekd™]

Well the Mitsubishi sales guy was a dick. Based on the floor plan dimensions they had online it looked like it would not take too much dismantling to get a machine in here. He said no the machine won't fit without even looking at the path into our shop or what would be required to get it in here. I told him Doosan said they can get there machine in here (bigger foot print) and he said then go with Doosan.

 

Sharp also refused to quote, seems as if they do not have local technicians to take some of the panels off and reassemble.

[crazy^millman]

Seen to many issues with machine disassembled and reassembled. They just seem to leak a lot more than Factory sealed machines. If I were doing it it would could with a disclaimer about no responsibility for any leaks of coolant.

[Mjölnir]

Well the Mitsubishi sales guy was a dick. Based on the floor plan dimensions they had online it looked like it would not take too much dismantling to get a machine in here. He said no the machine won't fit without even looking at the path into our shop or what would be required to get it in here. I told him Doosan said they can get there machine in here (bigger foot print) and he said then go with Doosan.

 

Sharp also refused to quote, seems as if they do not have local technicians to take some of the panels off and reassemble.

 

regionally, where are you?

[#Rekd™]

Ontario Canada.

[Mjölnir]

#Rekd, you've got mail. if you didn't get it check your spam folder, subject line may have triggered a filter.

[Mjölnir]

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