integrex \ mazak programmers

[cg777]

i got your program u sent,

i have to wait until (i call him master) is done

with a set up before we can test your program.

 

harryman,

i found out what M302 is

 

it tells the machine to switch to sub spindle.

this is accomplished by G112 in this machine,

 

this going to be a freeking nightmare.

[chris m]

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this going to be a freeking nightmare

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NOW you're getting the idea!

 

C

[Harryman]

Question to the revered silverbacks of the forum: how much is too much? Free advice that is.

 

Please keep your flamethrowers on "safe." I know that with the hundreds of posts that many of you have, your cumulative advise to the forum is incredibly valuable, but so is spewing every last detail of Integrexpertise in public that cost me huge effort. For that matter, it may not be fair to others, anymore than posting an entire post processor would be. Is there an acceptable way to seek renumeration for issues that arise here and take matters privately, or is it strictly pot luck?

[cg777]

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how much is to much

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lets see,

 

i'm sure the people that make money from .37 stamps r not happy about free e-mail.

 

gas companies don't make as much, because we don't have to leave the house to go to bank or store anymore

 

playboy mag. probably lost money, 80% of internet usage is porno.

 

harryman,

there was an artical in mfg. engineering talking about how r jobs will not be needed in the future.

because companies are just joing to share information to engineer there parts.

 

how far will it go? i don't know.

 

not all things in life r free, this is true.

but when comes to the hard drive in my head..

i'm running out of disk space if you know what i mean.

 

so anything that will help meusyouwe to make things go smoother (integrex especially)why the heck not.

 

[crazy^millman]

Harryman, I dont know what the old silverback might say but I am greatly appericative of you sharing what you know and I dont have one. I woudl also think that is we can get cg777 going and feeling comfortable with how things go with it then it might lead to oh about 4 more seat of mastercam at that place. It may be crazy top think that but before I got here they had 2 programmers sharing the same seat of mastercam for about 1 year. I put a stop to that and got another seat ordered. cg777 stikes me as the type that will get things done and fi you I or someone sahre alot to get him that that helps us all get better so when one of us get ni that same postion down the road we know who will be there to help us.

 

I live life this way I try to do right, live right, and have right. If I can help you then maybe you can help you. If you dont oh well I can put my head down and night knowing I was true to me.

 

 

Crazy Millman

[crazy^millman]

I would also like to add one persons nightmare is another person sense of reality. It is always easier to think of the bad verse thinking of the what if's. I have Fadals at the place I am now doing complex mulitsurfaced parts would you like to do 1,000,000 and 4,000,000 line code program strickly DNC and only be able to feed at about 23 inches a mintues cause it gives the machine a fit. Oh yeah I am having some fun but that is what I got to work so make the best of it.

 

Crazy Millman

[cadcam]

Millman are there any G8 in the Fadal code you are DNCing to the machine?

[RStuart]

CG777 just curious to how things are going...as far as free information goes if it weren't for people like myself that are willing to help fellow programmers and machinists alike I would not be as good nor as knowledgeable as I am today. This is may way of paying those guys back so to say. Pay It Forward. And who knows some of these people may need help from you some day. Would they like it if you told them they needed to get a purchase order before you gave them any information? I think not. CG777 keep asking those questions and if you need anymore help I will do all I can and if I don't know the answer I know a few people that do. Keep in touch and don't get discouraged. The Integrex's take a hard hit on this forum and are constintly critcized, but once you learn how to run it inside and out you will learn to love the machine both for its pros and cons. I am not saying it is the best machine out there, trust me, I have my complaints, but I have yet to come across anythin I can not machine on these, and our engineers come up with some crazy stuff.

[chris m]

1) Harryman-

Just do what you feel is right; if you get to the point where you feel that you're 'giving away the store' then just hold back. I don't know who's sig it was (maybe Rekd) but its true "We're no longer offering our free services due to the complaints about our free services" [more or less]. Nobody can bitch about you not wanting to divulge all of your secrets. Of course, if you are talking about physically going down there, or doing some programs for them, or writing up a report, or something then I definitely think that some payment would be in order.

 

2) cg777- Since it seems like you're gonna be around for awhile; do you have a real name?

 

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but I have yet to come across anything I can not machine on these

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We ordered our 300SY on a turnkey for a part that Mazak said they'd have programmed "in an hour" and running in a day.

 

Nearly 3 years later...

 

 

C

[RStuart]

this sounds more like Mazaks fault for telling you the machine was capable of doing what they said. Salesmen will say anything to sell their product. I believe you were having trouble with the accuracy of the spindle to sub-spindle, right?

FORTUNATELY, we do not have a sub-spindle machine. Some one said that the Integrex was a hard machine to make productive. Well we are a custom fab shop and rarely have runs any bigger than 10 pieces or so. This works great for us. And also our tolerances aren't that tight because everything is assembled in house. That ia why we went with the Integrex rather than Mori Seiki's version. COST!!! Mori's are expensive but capable of holding tighter tolerances than the integrex. So in turn you pay more. Also I have the advantage of being both the programmer and the operator so I have a little more control.

[RStuart]

The Integrex is definately not a "do everything machine" but it is indeed a very capable machine given the right operator and the right programmer. Like I have said before I do have my complaints with this machine and they mainly would be 1.The control. Its too slow and really hate running long EIA/ISO programs. 2. Is not really all that rigid. I am speaking of the beloved B-axis. The slightest bump and you must loosen up the turret and realign it or it over loads all the time. 3. Dependability. This machine seems to nickle and dime you to death around the time the warranty runs out.

[RStuart]

And also if you think about it Mazak is only telling you a half truth when they call the Integrex a 5-axis machine. Yes it does have 5 axis' but don't we call a mill that can only move in 2 axis' at once a 2 1/2 axis machine? So wouldn't the Integrex be a 4 1/2 axis machine?

[cadcam]

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"We're no longer offering our free services due to the complaints about our free services"

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This wouls be scott bonds saying ,That is for sure.

[Harryman]

Thanks Chris,

 

Harryman needs to get some things done on company time, and there is a very real threat that this corp will continue efforts to job everything out right down to what I do, so I'm getting reluctant to publish a "how to Integrex" book on the internet.

 

I wanted to pay Dave Thompson back for the "pay ahead" that he put into our post. Done.

 

Contact [email protected] for after hours assistance.

 

Mr. Stuart, you da man. Let's talk sometime.

[RStuart]

Sure Harryman, always willing to talk shop. Love what I do and am happy doing nothing else.

[crazy^millman]

Yes Cadcam I am also using the(edit here) G8 and I am also using the(end Edit) G9 with the AFF with the newest and latest chipset for the controller. I have gone as high 115200 for the amount of data tranfer we are talking about surface curves covering like a big area with alot of different transitions. I am use to pushing a mchine to the limits to get the job done. I am in the process of moving the company to a new building whe nwe get settled down I will email you with some sample parts to give you an idea what we are doing.

 

Wish us all good luck on the move 2 of us right moving 4 CNC mills and all of our department.

 

CrazyMillman

 

[ 08-14-2003, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: Millman^crazy ]

[cg777]

good mornig my fellow mc-heads,

 

chris,

your right i am going to be around for a wile. i look forward to these forums each morning.

also, my name is cory, thanks for asking.

 

mr stuart,

you asked how things r going, ok i guess.

my new job reminds me of the title of a book.

"the road less traveled"

i really sense, the intergrex mazak programmer

has a resentment towards me and mastercam.

this guy is good, i mean really good. i can tell he has poured blood, sweat and loss of sleep into these machines. and now he sees me wanting to do it all on mc. he's writing his own macros and does all the set ups. this is the kind guy every employer dreams of having. but you know the saying,"it's quicker to program on mazaks" this doesn't hold true when it comes to these machines.

it takes him a long time

also, you r right about how they define there machines. we have 3 or 4 5axis mazaks. i found out the other day, these machines do not operate in all axis simultaneously. there basically 4 axis with a tilt. the true 5axix mazak comes with a fanuc controll.

 

crazy millman

you right, when i finally get strapped in the mastercam seat again i will offer all know.

nobody in pa. ca. or ma. is going to take my job.

for a long time, i wanted to stop doing what i know and teach it.

 

be back soon

cory

 

[ 08-15-2003, 09:11 AM: Message edited by: cg777 ]

[Harryman]

Hi Cory.

 

Treat that Integrex dude right. If he had the stuff to get the Integrex humming, then he's worth not pi$$ing off, or on.

 

Please read my post.

 

http://www.emastercam.com/ubb/ultimatebb.p...=1;t=006997;p=2

 

Give him a place to grow to and you'll be fine. Don't do to him what the nubies here have done to me and my attitude.

[crazy^millman]

Harryman nothing wrong with your attuitde got to remember some of have been aroung the block and some have not. the one who have traveld down the road and hit all the bumbs have alot more repect for it verse the people who g odown the same roand seem not ot hit them. It is also one of them thing where if you have only got 1 block down the 20 blocks you have not seen the complete road just the part of it that is in front of you. Think you got it licked then that damn potholes gets you ever time. I think when they new part of the difference of it waer off then they will feel more free to get the car out and get down the road hitting some holes or just getting lucky and missing either way it is the seam road some us always see the holes and hit them anyways or see them and remember where they are for the next time we hit that aprt fo the road. Sorry to babele just all part of what we have been through, going through, or will be going through.

 

Crazy Millman

[cg777]

harryman,

 

check this out, i just got done talking to the integrex programmer here, the freeking engineer of the integrex machine calls here to ask our programmer how to do certain tasks.

 

andrew was so correct when he said i opened the gates of hell, in mazatrol programming in =b= axis programming(drilling that is),if you want to drill deeper, the programmer has to read a macro

that does a sh_t load of trig,(that he wrote) to accomplish this task. otherwise it will just move

deeper in =z= axis.

 

to all that has been following this forum, i don't need factory training, i think i have one of the best here, when i said this guy was good, really good, i believe it's an under statement.

 

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Treat that Integrex dude right. If he had the stuff to get the Integrex humming, then he's worth not pi$$ing off, or on.

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+100 my friend,

 

i felt a little when i got here, but knowing i'm not alone with you guys and him.. i'm

 

"THANKS"

 

[ 08-16-2003, 11:06 AM: Message edited by: cg777 ]

[crazy^millman]

Hum imagine that Crazy millman was not so Crazy Afterall. As with anything it is always easy to d othing is a way you know but it even better to be open to idea there are others that can help you get there is you let them. I am glad cg777 that you have a hell of a guy there. I think if you show him how the mastercam will make if life easier and not replacing him he will really be in your corner. It may be some give and take but as with anything worth doing it requires that.

 

I on another note got only 2 machine up and running. No network and no A/C in our office. It was the fun time I thought it would be. I left today after 6:00pm and not sure when the system will be back up again. I know you are hanging in there and you will get it. I use to do the same thing have people call me about the machines what they could and could not do. There is nothing like real world experience.

 

Good Luck,

 

Crazy Millman

[two words]

WOW!

 

I take a little vacation and don't check in on the forum and it seems like I've been missing a lot. And since I have been mentioned I thought I would join in. As most of you see I don't post very much, but there is an awful lot of information to be had in here from some very smart people. And I was always told if you don't have something nice to say don't say anything most of all over the internet.

 

Crazy Millman

 

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I am from the east coast and came to the west coast to fill some very big shoes of someone you know very well. I feel I am holding my own but realize I am not the Modelmaker he is.

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I just have two words for you "size 11". I don't think that they are that big are they Trevor.

 

It seems that you have clicked a few laps Millman, with all those years of experience. So I have a couple of questions. Firstly, how much Mastercam experience(months or years) do you have and secondly, what is your definition of holding your own?

 

Trevor, I hope things are working out for you and your family, I know how much stress it is moving and I know you will be missed in San Diego.

[crazy^millman]

Yeah knew them size 9-1/2 shoes where not that size 11 shoes.

 

Holding my own is getting the job done I have been asked to do and keeping food on the table to keep my family with a roof over there head.

 

If you have a problem with my laps will be glad to give you some numbers to call if you need them.

 

Mastercam experience is 4 months and Cam experience is total of 9 years. Programming since 1991 on NC controls and got taught some CNC programming in 1988.

 

 

Crazy Millman

 

[ 08-20-2003, 12:46 AM: Message edited by: Millman^crazy ]

[crazy^millman]

If you took the commnet as a comparsion to you and what you do then it was not meant that way was only a statement that I am capble as a Machinist. It was pointed out to me that you knew each other and I was just trying to assertain that I was not so far out of the process as it was stated.

 

Crazy Millman

[two words]

Millman,

 

Don't worry, all of us Modelmakers are sensitive just ask Javier but I did hear that your shoes weren't that big and I guess my math isn't that good when it comes to adding up years and months. After saying that, it does seem you know what you are taking about and I am sorry if my question upset you in anyway.

 

Steve.