X4 MU1 Crash Regenerating Toolpath

[gcode]

thinking out loud here...

 

Chris states the X2 X3 and X4 do not use common files..

 

Verndog says installing X4 jacked up X3

 

so..

 

checking Installation Guide.pdf on my X4

install disc page 2 says

 

OS Win XP or Vista blah blah blah

.Net 3.5 Framework

and

VCRedist 2005 and 2008 Visual C++

 

Idea #1..

something on the X4 install disc is jacking one

or both of these prerequisite installs up

.. which would screw up X2 X3 and X4

 

or Idea #2

some A/V softwares are preventing .NET or

VCRedist from updating properly during X4 installs This wrecks the prevoiusly good

.NET/VCRdist install prevents X3 from running correctly

 

 

or Idea #3

The X4 install package is installing newer

versions of .NET and or VCRedist files

that are improperly being blocked or killed

by some A/V softwares.

[Chris Bell CNC Software]

Verndog - I looked at your first crash that you sent in today, it gave me a lot of information thanks to the build you are using. Keep sending them in, and thanks for the help.

 

The first error he sent in was caused by a sharing violation. The temp file was created, but we could not read it back in. Something was holding it in memory and was not allowing anything else to read it. Now to keep digging and figure out what is holding it.

[Fred @ Slate Industries]

Chris "Burning the midnight oil"

[Verndog]

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Verndog - I looked at your first crash that you sent in today, it gave me a lot of information thanks to the build you are using. Keep sending them in, and thanks for the help.

 

The first error he sent in was caused by a sharing violation. The temp file was created, but we could not read it back in. Something was holding it in memory and was not allowing anything else to read it. Now to keep digging and figure out what is holding it.

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Chris Bell

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Excellent Chris. I'm back home now and will load this onto my P4 Duo and see if I get the error on it. If you need to get ahold of me today or tomarrow I'll be at the 8man8 address.

 

I assume the code I sent from the event log .xls file is the one that you say is helping?

 

I can re produce this error over and over with 3 files I have back at work workstation. There is very little software on that machine. XP-SP3, MS Office (2009 IIRC), Acronis 2010 True Image backup, Mcam X3MU1 and X4MU2, AVG 9.0, A43 filemanager, Snagit V9.01,....about all I can think of. I am running nothing else while crashing though...not even Outlook.

[Verndog]

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The first error he sent in was caused by a sharing violation. The temp file was created, but we could not read it back in. Something was holding it in memory and was not allowing anything else to read it. Now to keep digging and figure out what is holding it.

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Chris, You may want to look at the HaspX driver in X4. From what I can see there is definately a difference from X3 there. When I load X4 onto my Toshiba Techra Core 2 Laptop, sometimes the usb hasp is found and other times I get a "Invalid Sim found Error Code 2" and it shuts down. Sim checks out valid in hasp X utility, and not having this issue opening X3.

 

Possibly additional hasp checks / times in X4 collide or block the temp file access read / writes and cause enough of a delay ending in crash. This would also explain why different machines and usb configs (maybe wireless usb mouse and usb hasp combo...thats what I have) act differently. And once new hasp driver is installed it would trickle downs to other X versions and get effected.

 

When I do get X4 running on the Toshiba, I cannot get the regen temp file access error to come up. Everything regenerates good with X4 and X4MU2. So it's not my .mcx file, machine, control, or post.

[Chris Bell CNC Software]

Verndog, send in the crash reports for any instance of the crash. The MORE common problem is the tmpmmx.tmp (x being the number of the temp file written) problem, the error log you sent me was not that one. I'm guessing the error code will be the same, but let's make sure

 

Anyone else who wants the debug build please email me.

[gcode]

I've installed X4 and AVG Internet Security

on an old workstation

I'm regening old high speed toolpaths trying to

get some crashes.. no luck so far

 

[ 11-22-2009, 10:44 AM: Message edited by: gcode ]

[Thee Rickster ™]

Chris, I cant give you any crash reports but

I have some news that may help eliminate some stuff

 

I decided to stop modeling and test importing and

regenning those dirty paths with new geo.

 

This pic is the part from last thurs (my last crash)

before permissions and ownership of C: were applied.

 

215 meg file After resetting s full permissions and

ownership the job was a breeze and finished with no problems

.

 

.

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the nixt pick is a similar part that will use the

exact same tool group paths for each component core side, cavity and corinsert

.

.

 

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the second one is not as detailed but similar

 

Here is my procedure that I use

 

-Start and completely model 2nd par boundaries etc

import p/l and runner from 1st file that will be used

-create 3 machine groups for each component

-Import paths from each cosponsoring tool group

from 1st file

-select new geo for each path in one tool path group/step shallow etc.

-save

-regen

-save

 

_repeat all steps for the next two components toolpath groups

 

Finished complte with no crashes.

 

I am at home AVG pro still installed avioding

the mastercam folders like stated before.

 

Prior to this job, using same AVG settings

but not resetting permissions and ownership of

C:drive, I couldn't created two new paths with our the error popping up, let aloneimport a group

withour the error.

 

My conclusion is that Robert aka Zoober seems to

be on to something here.

 

Now my p.c. at work will have a new Fresh XP install up and running by the end of the week.

NO AVG , but I will have our new server protection installed.

 

I will keep ya posted if i have any pertinent issues.

 

Hope any of this helps

 

Rick

[gcode]

I drug my old XPx32 workstation out and spent

most of Sunday trying to replicate this crash.

The install was solid as a bank vault..

couldn't get a single crash.

[Thee Rickster ™]

With or without Anti Virus.(AVG Ver 9.)

 

Anti virus was suggest on day 12 of this thread

Chris suggested it again on Day 22.

 

My MC folders were excluded on day 12.

My AVG was uninstalled on day 16 (i believe).

Crashed until permissions were set on 19th (i believe)

 

I am still thinking that some ppl who 'think'

their permissions and owner ship are set properly,

should look into it.

 

I had no crashes at home on the week end, with AVG

installed and none today without.

 

Sure it doesn't rule it out, but I am only having

great success after the permission thing

 

Rick

 

[ 11-23-2009, 10:51 AM: Message edited by: Rickster ]

[Zoober]

Microsoft permissions (explicit vs inherited, etc..) are iffy at best for consistency. That's why I recommended changing ownership. Ownership creates proper (explicit)permissions for all subsequent files and directories if applied properly, bypassing inherited. If inherited permissions are used, you may or may not have correct flow down on newly created files and directories. Even if you are a part (supposedly) of the admin group.

Lockdowns and group permissions passed through Group policy management can also get in the way.

 

As Evil would say, Unix does it (way) better.

[Thee Rickster ™]

Robert, I first 'reset' all permissions to full

then set the ownership to my name.

(I set this up with me as an admin yet it seems

you have to sett full permission separatly

regardless(my conclusion on my fix)

 

SO far so good.

 

Thanks

Rick

[The_Evil_Machinist]

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As Evil would say, Unix does it (way) better.

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Duh...

[Zoober]

Nice of you to pop in and lend a helping hand.

[Verndog]

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SO far so good.

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Well, one thing I've noticed is this bug is anything but predictable. After having problems with several files last week, then on Saturday loading the MU2 and seeing no difference....today the exact same problem files regenerate fine. I cannot even force the error if I want to.

 

Not sure if its the MU2 finally taking "full hold" (as if that makes any sence)...or if its the machine "resting for a day" (as if that makes any more.)

 

I have a new patch written for MU2 I'm running that has a couple delayed rewrite attempts coded into it....so far so good X2.

 

I highly suggest others with this issue help troubleshoot by running the MU2 and contacting Chris. The more data in...the sooner we get to worry about our real job again.

[Thee Rickster ™]

I will run the patch if and when the error returns

to haunt me.

 

Glad to hear your troubles are clearing up

 

Rick

[[email protected]]

I've also been using mu2 since Sat. with no crashes.

Cant make it crash, that's good though

 

edit: I am still getting drift from my space pilot in verify, only in turbo mode

[Verndog]

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edit: I am still getting drift from my space pilot in verify, only in turbo mode

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I have a space pilot and dont see any drift or suspicious movement. I'll watch for that though.

[Chris Bell CNC Software]

Verndog,

 

You mentioned on Saturday or Sunday that you crashed several times when running the mccore.dll that I gave you. Could you go into your temp directory and send me the XML files that the crashes created? You already sent me one, but there should be a few more. Remember, they start with the date that they were created, followed by the time, and end with log.xml (something like 11242009083000log.xml it it crashed today at 8:30:00 in the morning). If they were the last crashes you experienced, they will be the top ones in chronological order.

[Code_Breaker]

I loaded MU2 PC1 yesterday ... had a small problem that turned out to be a corrupt custom toolbar ... replaced it with one that was a backup and works fine ... no crashes or complaints ...

 

Thanks Chris ...

[Thee Rickster ™]

Still no crashes here.

 

(on 3 different p.c's now....my helper is back)

 

crunching hard a$$ surface paths.

[gcode]

I spent all day Sunday trying to replicate this

crash on 2 different XP workstations.

My efforts were a complete failure.. not a single crash... and no crash reports for Chris

[The_Evil_Machinist]

is the beta of mu2 out?

 

Also, no crashes here. Just changed my chord height from .0002 to .001 in the shading menu. I guess I was just overloading my virtual machines.

[Verndog]

Chris...

 

I just sent in 3 more crash reports from Saturday after loading MU2 V1. Looks like the latest version I'm running now cleans out that temp directory even after a crash. Could be why X3 isn't crashing also??

 

Kevin

[Chris Rizzo]

Don't get it; been working all day on a 140mb file and she's stable as a rock. As you might recall friday I couldn't regen a thing. I don't believe I have changed anything in my system.