!@#$%^&* ARGH! I Hate the new Trim!!!!

[gcode]

I really havn't had an issue with trim preview.

[Ken Erman from CNC Software Inc.]

I think i'm seeing a theme here...

 

Obviously the intention of the change was to be helpful to everyone, (Similar to how filleting works) not just new users. During testing we did find and fix a lot of cases that produced the stupid Zero length entity errors.

 

I would ask that you send us samples where these errors still occur, along with a video of how you produced it.

 

If you don't have some sort of video recorder there is a free one called Jing, that is put out by TechSmith - http://www.jingproject.com/ -

I would rather user programmer time to try to resolve problems and make it work reliably for everyone then to use it to make a way to disable the functionality.

[Thad]

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I would rather user programmer time to try to resolve problems and make it work reliably for everyone then to use it to make a way to disable the functionality.

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Ken,

 

Whether it works properly or not, it slows down the trimming operation. I hope you'll consider adding the option to turn it off first, then fixing it. That would instantly "fix" the problem for those of us who know how to trim, then you can take the time to fix it (for the minority, I would guess.)

 

Thad

[gcode]

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it slows down the trimming operation

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that is does.. If I have a bunch of stuff open on my computer, I actually get an hourglass pop up during trim operations. Trim still happens very

quickly, but it is not longer instant.

[Tony35]

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I hope you'll consider adding the option to turn it off first

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+1

[Goldorak]

here is an exemple

 

its 2 lines at 90deg and .008 corner radii extend by .005

 

when i trim it i got to be careful to where im clicking , and with a .008 radii i got to play a lot with zoom in/out , in previous versions i only got to click the 2 entity to join them with "trim 2 entity" without paying attention on what side of it i am clicking

 

 

 

if you need a better quality video just contact me

 

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[Mjölnir]

The preview during trimming is actual geometry. That can be verified by analyzing the previews, or a position on them, in the midst of a trim operation. That is what I think is causing most of the headaches here.

 

In my rather humble and perhaps uninformed opinion, the software should be written in such a way that actual geometry is created only by the user, not temporarily by the software where some other form of graphical representation could be used.

 

To try to make my "point", heh, what are cursor "blips" in every other system I've used, that is temporary marker points drawn on the screen when selecting midpoints, endpoints, centers, etc are actual point geometry in Mastercam. I ran into a situation that caused problems for me in, I believe it was, X2, reported it as a bug, it got fixed the next update, then it re-appeared in the next version and I decided to just live with it with caution.

 

I'm with others. Give us the option to disable the feature. Even if it gets fixed, it's not something I'll ever *need*.

[Mike-T]

+1

love new paths ect.. but gota job to do.. Preview for trim is a waste of time.

[1 master]

when it slows you down its got to go.

[Guest CNC Apps Guy 1]

90% of the time I use Trim 3 entities. You guys use 2 entities or 1 most of the time?

[Colin Gilchrist]

I switch between 1 and 2 entity trim, divide, and point mode quite often.

 

If I had to pick one, I would say I use Trim 2 entities most often.

[Thad]

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You guys use 2 entities or 1 most of the time?

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Usually, one, since you can trim one or 2 with the one command.

 

Thad

[Ken Erman from CNC Software Inc.]

I tired to duplicate the video and am having no luck...

[Goldorak]

i dont get this warning every time , i got to trim it 4 or 5 times before get the the warning !!!

[Toonz]

Even CAD software doesn't waste time or resources with something as mundane as a trim preview. If you don't have a clue as to what the results are going to be, you are in the wrong job! And if by chance you get an incorrect result you still have the UNDO button to save your behind!

[3R!< W3NG3R]

Ken, what happened to the double click functionality?

 

By that I mean you go into trim and single is the default. (no buttons are selected) It used to be that if you double clicked on the second line, it acted like trim 2 lines. Now, if I do this, the second line is ALWAYS trimmed to the wrong side. Is this going to be fixed?

It works if you select the trim 2 lines button. But it used to be real handy to be able to use, in effect, 2 functions in one.

[Ron Branch @ Verisurf]

Why we are talking about trim do we have an idea when quadrants on circles being a PIA might get addressed. I have seen this since Version 7 and has always drove me crazy. You go to trim to a circle and then it will trim back to the quadrant then you have to sometimes even extend the circle you trimmed or you will have to break the circle before starting to trim. I will take the preview all day long if this one could be addressed.

[3R!< W3NG3R]

+1 Ron, I started at V7, so it has always been that way for me in MC. I guess I just got used to it and forget to mention it.

[DProvost]

A switch wouldn't be necessary if it worked a litte quicker and correctly. I've chosen 2 entities to trim and the preview looks ok and it screws up and deletes one of the lines I was trimming. Ends up that right now its more of a PIA than its worth. Disfunctional...

[Ron Branch @ Verisurf]

Well I started in version 8 then went back to Version 7 for a little while then up to V9 to the current and something I have always seen.

[Jrygus]

+1

 

Please Disable trim preview and fix trimming back to quadrants. It's a PITA.

[Ken Erman from CNC Software Inc.]

Eric,

 

The double-click functionality works fine here. Both in X4 and the pre-release of X4 MU. Is it happening on all parts? Send me what you've got and i'll try it.

[Thee Rickster ™]

Many times I trim 2 entities and it keep the wrong piece, so I undo and try it again starting with the opposite line first and then it works or gives me a zero length error, repeat then it works??

[3R!< W3NG3R]

Ken, check your mail.

[kujo763]

Just make a disable switch for the trim preview instead of trying to convince us that it is somehow beneficial for everyone. For the small fillets and stuff I immediately delete them (small arcs) and trim by re-filleting is that what we should do? Maybe dump trim all together and just re-draw the lines? I've known how to trim since v6 no preview needed.

 

Erik