!@#$%^&* ARGH! I Hate the new Trim!!!!

[rsbeadle]

I am glad to see the power users finally speak up. I have been saying for a while that CNC has been "dumbing it down" for training purposes. I need speed and stability for what I do, not bells and whistles.

[DavidSV]

I'm glad to see that my post out of frustration has led to 50 replies!

[Ken Erman from CNC Software Inc.]

We are looking into adding a switch for X5 just as you all have asked for.

[PeterM]

How about tossing an undo button into the trim function bar. Then when something goes wrong, you won't have to back out of the function in order to undo. While you are at it put the undo button into ALL of the relevant toolbars.

[Matt Berube at Ferron Mold]

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How about tossing an undo button into the trim function bar. Then when something goes wrong, you won't have to back out of the function in order to undo. While you are at it put the undo button into ALL of the relevant toolbars.

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+1

 

Some of the software I use has undo available for pretty much everything. It's extremely handy. I would love to have CNC Software expand the function of undo so we don't have to back out of a ribbon bar to use it.

[Ron Branch @ Verisurf]

+123456789

 

For this undo function.

 

Ken thanks to you and the others for this addition to X5.

[Mjölnir]

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We are looking into adding a switch for X5 just as you all have asked for.

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Thank you!

[Mjölnir]

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Ken thanks to you and the others for this addition to X5.

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Pedant point, "looking into adding a switch" doesn't mean a switch is going to be added.

[Ken Erman from CNC Software Inc.]

Tough crowd...

 

Since i don't have control over how difficult, or dangerous, something is to code all i can do is ask for the appropriate programmer to look into a problem to give us an idea how long something will take. That's why i almost never promise something will be in a release.

 

But in this case i can tell you that it looks like there will be a switch in Alpha 1 of X5.

 

At the same time i am pretty confident that there WILL NOT be an undo button added to this function.

[Thee Rickster ™]

Ken, does something like this also include the Fix.

When I trim 2 entities it is a crap shoot whether it keeps the right sides as well as the zero length issue.

 

Cheers

Rick

[gcode]

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When I trim 2 entities it is a crap shoot whether it keeps the right sides as well as the zero length issue.

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this is real common when trimming splines.. I don't even try anymore. I enable the break feature

(hotkey "B")

The zero length issue usually involves an arc and a line.. If you choose the line first, it usually works properly.

 

If you want a real adventrue, draw 3 intesecting circle and try trimming those..

You'll be pounding the keyboard in frustration

before you're done.

[Thee Rickster ™]

I am pretty sure it does it with lines as well, when

it fells like it. I have found the break workaround as well but its too time consuming for just trimming entities.

[Newbeeee™]

I would like to see the fillet command be able to take a 0 value. At the moment it can take .00005 as the least increment.

This way, fillet could also be used for trimming (working the same as autocad does).

Sorry for the hijack.

[3R!< W3NG3R]

There is already a trim function for that. Why would they spend time to change fillet?

 

I'm just asking.

[Thee Rickster ™]

Eric, because work arounds are the only option we have until the remedy is administered.

If the fillet '0' was an option I would use it exclusively, other than wasting time NOT trimming.

[Tony35]

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Ken, does something like this also include the Fix.

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sorry rickster there will be no patches for this

 

it will be in the Alpha 1 of X5 MU3 SP5 MR2... maybe

[Newbeeee™]

Eric / Rickster

 

I've been an autocad jocky since the launch of r11 (17 years???), and I guess I've gotten use to doing things this way.

The way I use the software/type of work I do (nearly exclusively 2d) needs either 2x lines trimmed to sharp corner, or to a specific rad size.

In my mind (?) 1x command is easier to select with either a 0 or the required fillet size entered.

For trimming, in mcam I exclusively use the trim divide.

It's a real pity that this cannot be added to the right click mouse menu.

[3R!< W3NG3R]

send in a request for that.

[Colin Gilchrist]

You can add Trim to the right click menu. Just add the trim function, and if you are using a different mode when Trim activates (like trim 2 entities), just hit the "D" key on the keyboard to put you in Divide mode. If Divide was the last mode you used, Trim should activate with this already set.

[Newbeeee™]

Thanks Colin.

Eric, how do I send a request in?

Cheers

[Steve Hattori]

+1billion to an undo in all functions. Even the 20 year-old cad system I learned on did that. Backspace key undid whatever you did last...Plus, it trimmed what you wanted trimmed....

[Colin Gilchrist]

Steve,

 

We would all like an Undo in every function. The problem is that CNC Software traced a bunch of unhandled exception errors to the Undo/Redo buffer and it's interaction between functions that are open.

 

So, would you all rather have the Undo functionality back or a more stable Mastercam? That is the issue at this point.

[DavidSV]

Colin, we want to have our cake and eat it too...

 

That and we want undo on the trim function. I mean ****, if it ****s up 1/2 the time, then at least give me the ability to undo it and try it again, Without having to exit the function to undo it, relaunch the function and try it again!

[Colin Gilchrist]

*sigh*

 

Having a switch to disable the preview will solve this entire problem. This is slated for X5, after that we will have a trim function that works like it did in all the previous X versions, so the need for undo will be much less.

 

Would it be nice, sure, but I can live without Inline Undo if it keeps my system stable.

[Slick]

2 cents, with hopes for improvement.

 

All of our programmers have noticed a difference (in a negative way) in the trim function in X4. I suggest trim 1 or 3 entities as much as possible, this seems to "avoid" the issue.

When we do use trim 2 it does seem to function differently.

My guess though, if there was a switch to turn this feature of before the trimming issue was solved it would not make a difference. The trim function appears to function different, turning off a graphic function is not going to help.

 

Great SNL quote: "FIX IT!"