O/T Why? I don't understand the logic behind this..

[Rekd™]

In California, ex-gobner Gray Dufas passed a law enabling ILLEGAL aliens to LEGALLY drive here. (As well as any other state in the union)

 

Is it just me, or is this the all time stupidest law? Is there actually any logic behind it? Do you have any idea where this could lead?

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

 

'Rekd teh dumbfounded

[Scott Bond]

I was woundering how that would affect any national security programs. I just don't see it working for anything but a vote gathering technic.

If I recall correctly the guy in the photo is a movie charactor actor from the movie Hombre .

He is the guy who said :::::

"Badges we don't need no stinking Badges"

 

[ 10-19-2003, 12:16 PM: Message edited by: Scott Bond ]

[Rekd™]

I thought it was Blazing Saddles?

 

'Rekd

[George_Gerhard]

I just laughed for 10 minutes at that license, and emailed to my friends

its so true

regards

George

[Charles Davis]

OK, it's funny, but let's be careful about turning this into a racist thing. We have to blame the politicians in California trying to buy votes more than the people who are illegally immigrating. They are just responding to the economics that our scummy politicians have put in place.

 

For example, I heard there is a proposal to provide free college tuition to illegal aliens in California. Yes, that's right; not out-of-state tuition rates, or even in-state tuition rates- totally free tution.

 

In other words, someone who broke the law to get here will be given a free ride, whereas the sons and daughters of Califonia residents will have to pay.

 

Can anyone else confirm this is true, and the status of it?

 

I'd be interested in knowing what the justification of this policy is for the people who support it. I don't care how unreasonable the arguement is, I just want to know what it is.

[Hardmill]

This Mexican has a sense of humor

I think its great. To me it pokes fun of the

Pin-head that created the law.

 

PEACE

 

[ 10-19-2003, 02:09 PM: Message edited by: Hardmill ]

[cadcam]

quote:

---

I heard there is a proposal to provide free college tuition to illegal aliens in California.

---

Please I hope to find this INCORRECT info..

I will blow my top.

[Brendan P]

I wouldn't expect anything less from any "professional politician".

[gcode]

Yes, there was a such a bill.

After seeing the reaction the drivers license

bill created, Davis vetoed it last weekend.

The fact that it passed through the state legislatures is scary enough. The state legislatures are dominated by ultra liberal

Democrats who can (and do) pass virtually any bill they choose. I hope the voters will keep

this in mind when they vote next year.

[Steel Surgeon]

People are too sensitive, I had taco's last night so there. Btw I Think thats why they call California the "LEFT COAST"

 

[ 10-19-2003, 03:12 PM: Message edited by: Newbie ]

[George_Gerhard]

This really gets my goat. I have two sons in college, and because there not basketball players I pay the full amount of their tuition. I recently sold my small airplane, I dont go out for a Friday night dinner, I dont take vacation. I cancelled a few magazine subscriptions. Im lucky I can pay my gym membership these days

 

Broke in Connecticut

George

[cadcam]

Newbie ,Is this your thought of the software?

quote:

---

It's a very buggy software!

---

[Rekd™]

quote:

---

Newbie ,Is this your thought of the software?

 

quote:It's a very buggy software!

 

 

---

Huh??

 

'Rekd

[cadcam]

Reked you do not understand what I am asking or is that for him?

[Guest CNC Apps Guy 1]

The Initiative/Referrendum/Constitutional Amendment movement is alive and well. There are Initiatives here in Cali. that are waiting for certification to be on the March Ballot that will outlaw giving Driver's Licenses to individuals that are in this country illegally. There are also bills waiting to be certified that will strip away all "rights" beyond what is guaranteed by the US Constitution regarding "Alternative Lifestyles". Lots of stuff in the pipe. I believe that the vast majority of the people that Voted last year to define marriage as a union between a MAN and A WOMAN (remember over 2 out of 3 Californians voted this way) are plenty pissed off at this ultra liberal family destroying mentality that is killing our civilization. Hard working families are ready to take back the state.

 

Hopefully both sides of the aisle will get good, hard, and repeated 8!+(# Slaps this coming election in March and next November.

 

JM2C

 

[ 10-19-2003, 06:59 PM: Message edited by: James Meyette ]

[Steel Surgeon]

Rekd

No it isn't, actually its the opposite. I have a teacher who uses that phrase every time something doesn't work for him. I was hoping someone would ask about my sig.

 

You guys help me a ton and I hope I can give back someday.

[Hardmill]

quote:

---

I was hoping someone would ask about my sig.

---

Ok', What about you sig?

 

PEACE

[Steel Surgeon]

My buggy software comment is mearly my way of being silly. I dread thinking of going to a company that doesn't use Mastercam.

[crazy^millman]

Well Newbie I am the famous one for working in 17 different place in 17 years in Jacksonville. I have only had Mastercam in the last 2 places I worked. I did it all the long way when doing 3d work. I did use Tecksoft, and Gibbs in a couple Places and I almost got in to master 7 years ago at one palce but they laided everyone off and I had only been there one week. I created macro spreadsheet, Autocad 2 modles and alot of Math to get my work done over the years. Of those compaines only 5 now use a cam program 6 are out of business and 4 are in pretty bad shape. I also don't see me going soemone that doesn't have Mastercam if it mean buying the program myself.

 

Crazy Millman

 

Oh think it is great I cant afford to buy a house in this state. A state in which only 19% of familes can buy a home. A state where my tax money will allow illegal people to drive here and get a education. Makes sense to me that people would say it wrong to strike to keep themselves from becoming the working poor yet Wal-Mart only has an average of 27% of it full-time workers having any assitance for health care where as the grocey industry has over 95%. The big three see what Wal_Mart is able to do in the Market with the Help fo the Local goverments in Calforina. I 1000% support the strikers and think if people dont wake and smell the problems in front of them that the big old air bag that is the problem will burst under them all.

 

Again just this old crazy person 2 cents worth.

[Rick Damiani]

While I have not been shy in other forums about expressing my political points of view, I have generally refrained from doing so here. Nevertheless, I feel that I must make a comment on these issues.

 

- Driver's licences for illigal aliens:

 

I am the son of two immagrant familys who has married into another immagrant family. My paternal granfather and grandmother came here from Italy around 1910. My maternal grandfather and grandmother came here from Holland in the 1950's. My wife's family has been living in the US since the '70s, and my wife is a naturalized (i.e. non-native) citezen. Pehaps this colurs my view on the subject. Perhaps not.

 

Our immigration policy is fundamentlaly broken. The INS backlog in dealing with those who try to follow the rules is so backed up that my mother-in-law's applicaiton for naturalization took 5 years to process. By the time they got around to it, many of the documents she had submitted had expired and had to be resubmitted. Such backlogs are the norm with the INS. It is exceptionally easy for any immagrant who is trying to folow the rules to find themselvs in technical violaiton of these mostly counter-productive laws, and therfore an 'illigal'.

 

At the same time, the reasons for immigraiton and the shadow economy that it encourages is given, at best, a wink and a nod by those grand-standing politicans who promise to make it tough for those on the wrong side of the INS, especially here in the Southwest. We penalize illigals by locking them up without trial or legal representation until we get around to deporting them while the busnesses that hire them, abuse them, and pay them sub-standard wages suffer only slap-on-the-wrist fines if they get caught.

 

Why do they come here? Becasue there are way too many folks that will give them jobs without asking many quesitons. Why will they give them jobs? Becasue the penalties for hiring them are minimal, and they don't have to bother with things like minimum wage or safe working conditions when their workforce is all illigals. Who are the illigals gonna complain to? The cops? OSHA? They'll be told 'Thank you very much. Here is your cell. You'll be staying here for the next couple of years while we sort out all the legal issues, then we'll deport you.' Talk about unfair advantages.

 

Driver's licenses for illigals is not the answer. Nor is shutting them out of what public services that are still avalible. The answer is to strip away the reason for immigration in the first place. Make it truly frightening for an employer to hire an illigal and immigration will dry up.

 

What I propose is to take the busness of any employer found to have hired an illigal and give it to the illigals they hired, while awarding those illigals full citizenship. We start doing that and how long do you think it will take for the jobs they come here for to evaporate. I'd be surprised if it took a whole week. The INS might even get off their collective xxxx and do something about the decades-deep backlog they are screwing around with.

 

- Civil unions for alternative lifestyles.

 

If marrage is to be defined as a union of two people for the purpose of having a family, I fail to see how same-sex marrages are any different than 'traditional' marrages between men and women who have no intention of haiving children. Well, aside from the icky things they are doing in thier bedrooms.

 

If the couple next door to me is made up of a man and a man, or a woman and a woman, it has aboxxxxely no effect on my relaitonship with my wife and my children. My marrage is not weakened by thier cohabitaiton, and the strength of my family is not affected in any way. In fact, given that such couples will be paying taxes on thier (likely dual) incomes at the effectivly higher married rate, it will actually work out to be a benifit. As will the school-related property taxes they will be paying for schools they ain't ever gonna use.

 

Gay couples already deal with the same kinds of emotional issues that straight couples do. Why on earth would we want to keep them from experencing the particualr 'joy' of the attendant legal issues? Especially the divorce-related ones. Just because it's leagal dosn't mean you have to do it.

 

 

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna put on my Nomex underware and watch the fireworks. Bring it on

[Trevor Bailey]

NO...NO...NO........Men marry WOMEN!!!!!!!

 

Lets say you are enjoying a day at Disneyland with the kids and you come upon two fruits kissing in the open. OH MY GOD!!!! This happened before I moved to NC. My kids looked at me and my wife with a really disturbed look on their faces. That was it. I made a few choice comments to the fellows in questions and they stopped. I was soooo ready to box with someone . I think that by accepting something like same sex marriages is just as bad as buying your kids smokes. It shows them no direction and that it is OK to do whatever they want without thinking of other people.

 

I could go on and on, but the more I type, the madder I get. To all the homos & lesbos in the world, go back to the closet and hide. And for damn sure do not put it in my or my families face unless you are ready to throw down.

 

The whole point being, people do have that right if they choose that lifestyle. I do not think they have the right to put it in everyone else's faces.

 

 

Peace

 

[ 10-19-2003, 08:57 PM: Message edited by: Trevor Bailey, from Barefoot CNC ]

[crazy^millman]

Treavor Tell us how you really feel. I agree 100% with you and think to many people accept thing as the right thing cuase they see it verse standing u pand saying this is just not right.

 

And as I know we are all immagrants in one way or another in this country. I think many companies do take advantage of illegal immigrants and so do people. I didnt see the people lined up on the side of the road looking for work like I do here and to anyone who does hire illegal people to help their company make money is just as bad. I always see people wanting to live in this country cause believe it or folk any of your worse days doesnt compare to most people best days in other countries. I have seen it first hand and people crapping in the street kids begging for food and things that make you appericate being able to have a roof over your head. It might be a less desibale thing for employers if you did this but not for the immgrants who have the conditions they have to live in and under.

 

Crazy Millman

 

[ 10-19-2003, 10:30 PM: Message edited by: Millman^Crazy ]

[Brendan P]

quote:

---

To all the homos & lesbos in the world, go back to the closet and hide. And for damn sure do not put it in my or my families face unless you are ready to throw down.

---

Got that right Trev,

IMO,it should never have been accepted.

I know I'll never accept it,not even if it is my kid. Period!

[dan m]

+1,000 Trev

 

I went on a field trip with my daughter when she was in the 1st grade and one of the other kids uncles showed up with his boy friend. They were holding hands the whole time and it just made me sick. I asked them polity not to show any public displays of affection in front of the kids but they wouldn't stop. I took every thing my wife had to keep me from kicking some a$$ but I controlled my self. Later that evening my daughter was asking why 2 men were holding hands and all I could tell her was it was wrong. To this day I wish I would have meet them in the parking lot to show them what I really thought.

 

 

=============================================

Dan

[Rick Damiani]

Look here:

 

Britney and Madonna

 

Then look at this again:

 

quote:

---

Lets say you are enjoying a day at Disneyland with the kids and you come upon two fruits kissing in the open.

---

and imagine it was the kiss pictured in the Slate article that you witnessed.