x release date

[Hardmill]

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sounds like a fancy name for "our first code was not optimized very well, so we came up with new code that works better"

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As patternmaker stated it is truly alot faster.

To say its a bug fix is way off base. You obviously

have no idea how much better it is.

 

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it is easy to be blinded to the uselessness of computers by the sense of achievement you get from getting them to work at all. In other words-their fundamental design flaws are completely hidden by their superficial design flaws.

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I see , the world is broken.

 

PEACE

[Fig sign]

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sounds like a fancy name for "our first code was not optimized very well, so we came up with new code that works better"

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Nonsense .

Code optimization was always MC strong point ,but

speed of calculation was a different matter .

FZT deals not with optimization ,but speed of calculation ,they enchanced algorithm of toolpath calculation for constant Z toolpathes

like surface -> pocket and contour

FZT radically boost speed of toolpath calculation .

Run Alt+c select Tpcfg.dll deselect FZT and compare calculation time with Fzt switched and off for toolpath surface ->pocket or contour with a model full of inner radii close to the tool radius .

You will get boost 50-100% and sometimes even 10-20 times

If you use mostly surface->parallel FZT not deals with such type of toolpathes and therefore will be no difference of toolpath time calculation

May be this don`t a major improvement but I think it is the most important one !

 

HTH

[gcode]

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Nonsense

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Iskander is correct.... as usual

[Müřlıń®]

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i thought i bought maintenance to have a year with ten.

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With Manitenance you have the oppertunity to patch up all the new enhancements that get released from QC before anyone else (non maintenance customers).

 

Heck all the guys on main already have alot of the enhansements that were going to be released in ver X.

 

The biggest is the speed that toolpaths will crunch. This alone would make it worth it to have had maintenance.

 

So basiclly you already have the stuff that matters in X, just in ver 9 format

[GreggT]

OK OK, now for the dumb question. Where do I find this FZT thing? I have MR0304 mill level 1 with solids, do I have this added functionality ......

[GreggT]

Oh ya, who's weby and how do I send in my avatar?

[Hardmill]

Its for 3D toolpaths. Speeds up the processing time

in z-level cuts.

 

PEACE

[mayday]

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FZT deals not with optimization ,but speed of calculation ,they enchanced algorithm of toolpath calculation for constant Z toolpathes

like surface -> pocket and contour

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it deals with surface machining Greg as Iskander said

[mayday]

it even increased Hardmills post response

[Hardmill]

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it even increased Hardmills post response

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Just one more reason to have it

How you doing Mayday??

 

 

PEACE

[mayday]

trying to stay warm is all. snowing to beat the band right now after -2F last night

[MIL-TFP-41]

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Code optimization was always MC strong point ,but

speed of calculation was a different matter .

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I was speaking of the code written to calculate the toolpath....NOT the actual .nc code. Speed of calculation is dependedent on well written program code as well as a fast processor. It is obvious that CNC has developed better code for constant z cutting.....but it is far from a new feature.

 

 

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OK OK, now for the dumb question. Where do I find this FZT thing? I have MR0304 mill level 1 with solids, do I have this added functionality

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with mill level 1, there is no "added fuctionality" as you cannot do surface machining.

 

added fuctionality = enhanced fuctionality

[crazy^millman]

I personally think you would be happy with the old DOS version before you will ever be happy with anything they released 20 years ago. I would also guess you do not use any scripts with your seat as well so again CNC's fault if they do not read someone's mind and taylor a script to someone's liking to work how certain people need it. I have got a few scripts off of here that save me alot of time and made a few script that save me time. I also have seen a big difference with that Z cut imporvement but if you are doing 2d work this does not apply. Like it, do not like it, or whatever it is your choice to state what you see. I think it funny those who hide themselves rip something. I have probelms with the software but it does not sway me to hate it or trash every oppurtinty I get.

 

I checked my spelling so everyone wh oreads this can be warm and fuzzy inside.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[MIL-TFP-41]

so its wrong to point out the faults of the software & the company who makes it.

 

Thanks for the heads up

[Hardmill]

From the Forum guidelines :

 

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3. You are encouraged to participate and answer questions posted by other Forum Members if you can. The model for this Forum is users helping users.

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Users helping users. That simple.

As of late all we hear is this don't work that don't

work "Boohoohoo"

 

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11. Issues with your reseller should be resolved directly with your reseller and/or CNC Software.

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I know now I'm in trouble w/ you all but thats OK.

 

PEACE

[Tom Dorgan from American Precision]

I agree Hardmill. This is supposed to be a help forum not a bitch session. No one can make a bug free software. It is not possible to test and imagine every possible situation we as programmers conjure up to do nc code. I enjoy lurking here learning from other users and participating when I can add to someone else's usefullness of the software. I Don't enjoy the bitching. I have a wife already!!!! Geesh.

[medaq]

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I agree Hardmill. This is supposed to be a help forum not a bitch session. No one can make a bug free software. It is not possible to test and imagine every possible situation we as programmers conjure up to do nc code.

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Agreed, I would be more apt to being bitchy if cnc was not always trying to make their product better. always seemd to me, when they found a problem they worked on it in order of priority. I do this daily. You have to prioritize the bad problems from the eh not so bad.

 

Jim

[Tom Dorgan from American Precision]

Hardmill, what happened to my last post here?

 

Never mind...I see it went to second page now...duh me...to much chafuring my wife around today shopping..yuck

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Well ,suppose we do not understand each other .

Even for a C++ written program or assembling program optimization is not a great thing ,you can not gain much from it if the algorithm is not perfect .

CNC software bought development of the other company and uses their code now as FZT .

To say the former code was bad or faulty or bad written is not fair ,I leave this to you to develop fast algorithm of toolpath calculation supporting all the features the MC supports .

To have or not to have maintenance is up to you decision too .

A bit cinical look on this :

when people enter casino everyone suppose he will win

[phil darcy]

hey guys let me state a couple of things that I didn't before. I am a big MC fan, its allowd me to do and learn lots of cool thing. my reseller and there tech help could not be better.as far as x release date I believe they were relaying what they heard.what I think would be great if maintence renew could be timed when x comes out. I think maintence will be a big help then.

[Rekd™]

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sounds like a fancy name for "our first code was not optimized very well, so we came up with new code that works better"

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so its wrong to point out the faults of the software & the company who makes it.

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If you're gonna be an xxxx about it, then yes.

 

If you can't show just a little respect for not only the people here, but CNC as well, then why not just keep your mouth shut and deal with them privately with your issues?

 

This is a help forum, not a fishing hole.

[Hardmill]

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what I think would be great if maintence renew could be timed when x comes out.

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That would'nt be a bad idea at all.

 

PEACE

[P_Scott]

JMC,

 

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...FZT is more of a bug fix, the original code for figuring z depth cutting must of been poorly written (tho very fuctional)

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Have you written anything that works better? FZT technology wasn't a "bug fix". The algorithms that calculate surface toolpaths in Mcam work, they were just slow. Before the inclusion of FZT in the Maintenance Release (Service Packs are bug fixes BTW) from March of this year (0304) no one had any issues with the toolpaths themselves, only the fact they took time to process.

 

The toolpaths weren't poorly written or broken, they just took valuable time. FZT changed the amount of time to process the working toolpaths. In some cases it was found to be a 75% reduction in processing time. That's a HUGE advancement (enhancement) to the software. Not a "bug fix".

 

This enhancement saved minutes, if not hours, to process existing toolpaths. How much is your time worth? I know several of our customers who are literally thanking CNC Software for protecting their jobs due to this one improvement from the Maintenance program. Just wait until Mastercam X is released.

 

The Maintenance is all about enhancing the software, not just fixing it. If it was only about fixing it, there would never be any MR's, only SP's. SP's are free for everyone. That's because they are fixing something that's not working as it should in the software. Only Maintenance customers will get enhancements (improvements) to the software. But only if they choose to download and install them. If it was my company, it would be a "no-brainer". Happy Holidays!

[g huns]

My boss has been dragging his feet for a year on paying maintainance. I recently got a 30 day trial of moldplus and solids which came with all latest updates(already had FZT) . After about 15 minutes I told him to fork over the cash now, I ain't never goin back, and he did. I'm not to worried about when X comes out, I know I have not come close to maxing out what version 9 can do. Still learning something new every day.

[moldmaker10]

I too am a one man shop providing solutions for the injection mold industry. I was also seduced into purchasing maintenance with the promise of version X. Well another year has come and gone, still no version X. If you think version X want have bugs you're kidding yourself. Never seen a software without them. You know competition is hard enough competing with China for new mold construction, who I'm sure has illegal software. The maintenance cost is just another expense which hurts if no benefit is recognized.