Check out what we can do with something like this in Mastercam. This is the Master3DGage, but we can do this with any arm on the market as well as Tracker. For the CMM we are working on something down the road to program the Ziess. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc10x5Hv1SE HTH

This one?? No sign of it.

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If they understand it and apply it correctly of course. Problem is they will put a .000 true position on a .500 hole and the make it +/-.0001 on the diameter 40" deep and then wonder why the part cost $1 Million to make when it is a flange for a boat anchor. When used correctly a MBD model can have 3 or 4 GD & T call outs and do the same thing as 50 to a 1000 dimensions. Profile tolerance of .01 using the overall symbol means than anywhere on the part nothing should be +/- .005 from the nominal model. So that old school 12.000 +/-.005 on the length and the 6.000 +/-.005 on the width can be one MBD on the model and do the same thing. So it there were 50 shoulders or steps old school would be 50 dimension for length and 50 dimensions for width. Again one MBD call out takes care of all of that. Which is easier when they do the same exact thing? You need a Hub to Match a Shaft then the Primary Datum needs to be Mating diameter on the Hub to Shaft. The secondary Datum needs to be the mating Face of hub the Mating face of Shoulder. The tertiary point is something to keep the relationship to each other important. So if the new graduate understands how all that works then he makes the correct Datum calls with the correct tolerances and the part is manufacture-able and it does not cost and arm and leg since it was done so with that in mind.

150 sfm maybe .0001 per tooth feed rate.

David Olson will be there. I got a pass this year on going.

Jeremy, It is Mold Plus that does this we only use it and allow someone to make MBD. Not that I am aware of maybe if enough people send that request to CNC it will make it into the software. :rolleyes:

What is ironic is most people have been machining to models without prints for years. Biggest disconnect is understanding how the model can be the authority for inspection. "There is no tolerance for the part in the model" I call those hybrids where the PDF has all the notes about the tolerances and you have to go read the book to make it or it could be an system that does not output MBD. With FTA/MBD like CATIA using Moldplus the standard Mastercam programmer can bring all of that into Mastercam with no problem. The programmer can also take the MBD tools from Verisurf and you can go make a dumb model a live model inside of Mastercam. "Hey what do you mean by live? It can get up and walk away?" Yes I have been asked this question and what I mean is the MBD (Model Based Definition) is the intelligence of what needs to be manufactured to. A true position on a hole tells you were it needs to be relative to the Datums. The tolerance is all defined there and they days on a liner dimension from one edge to every hole are not needed. "But I do not use a CAM system" really and you want wanting to do MBD work? The model is the authority then you need to use something that lets you use the model for the manufacturing process. Mastercam machines to models all day long and with MBD you know where and how to machine the part to make it meets the quality requirements. Now Verisurf which works inside of Mastercam then takes that MBD uses the tolerances called out and then allows anyone to see to that model the deviation. Without the MBD then you need to get out a blue print and put the tolerances or read some 15 page PDF to put them in manually. MBD as a process if implemented correctly is a time saving money making process. Those that get MBD embrace it and make it part of the culture of their companies. This is just a small idea of what goes on and hopefully I can shed light on this topic at IMTS.

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DATE: Monday, September 10 from 2:00 PM - 2:55 PM ROOM: W193B Here is what I will be speaking about: Model Based Definition (MBD) is sweeping across all aspects of aerospace and defense. With the initiatives of several large companies and the programs of standards organizations, it is on its way to becoming a common practice for OEMs and suppliers of all types. MBD—as the sole design authority—removes ambiguity, doubt and contradiction when manufacturing products. By eliminating 2D drawings, it does the same for inspection. However, many people question, what is MBD, what new tools and processes are required, and how does it benefit the inspection process. This presentation consolidates countless hours of industry research with aerospace OEMs, suppliers, CAD companies, GD&T experts and standards development professionals to answer those questions. For the suppliers that no longer have the option to receive 2D drawings, MBI (Model Base Inspection) is essential because it is senseless to take on the effort and risk to generate drawings to perform inspections. For suppliers that control the product design, MBD/MBI is an approach that will reduce costs, labor, errors and ambiguity. Yet, few have fully embraced the practice simply because of the confusion and unnecessary complexity surrounding MBD and MBI. Here is a link: My link

Need to put up certain parts of the post and can be a task if you have never worked with posts before. I would suggest you contact your dealer they are a great asset to lean on for things of this nature. Welcome to the forum.

Go back and read the thread again everything you need is in that thread.

Use your option block deletes that control allow 9 I believe just place the correct ones where you need them. The best way IMHO is to sub out your tools and then you can have a main program to call the subs that are the tools and this allow you flexibility to do what you are trying to do all the time. HTH

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Don, we not discuss pricing on the forum. I have been in email contact with you and we will go from there and thanks for contacting us we look forward to helping you guys out.

Don if you shoot me a email I will be glad to get you a trial license of our MBD.

Flowline, Pencil or Surface Finish Contour.

A 3D-PDF Program might work. I have many set-up sheets using this method and it works awesome just not sure of the Ipad can read 3D-PDF.

Not really maybe you can copy them over to my shared documents into a folder. Make them unlocked and then use that folder to update from for just the tools. More than one way around permissions.

Are you sure they are not write protected?

Daniel, I was seeing some weird things so it should get taken care of this week. Work is piling up for them. They have a customer willing to dump a ton of work if they can get these parts cut so the owners are getting a little stressed to get it going. Thanks for your insight and comments.

There are emulators out there or you can right click on the .exe from the CD and use the compatibility tab to make it XP SP3 and that might work.

We do not use the C-planes in inspection only the WCS so it serves our users no purpose. Maybe if we charge everyone for it then it might get in there.

Yeah them free tools can't never make them happy.

Are you admin or a user account? Have permissions been set-up correctly? Are you using a nethasp? Do you have power save on? Is the Power management for the USB turned off in device manager? Is the power management for the Ethernet been turn off in the device manager? Are you trying to save to a close place on the network with no write permission? Do you have firewall issues?