Why can't MC Make the Perfect Product?

Tim Johnson · July 26, 2006

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B. MR2 is more stable than 9

MR2 is all around better than V9, but V9 is/was about as solid as this type of software will ever get.

Shop Wench · July 26, 2006

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you got what you wanted and so did I!

You tricked me! I just got up & checked & there is no Ducati in my garage!

andrewgore · July 26, 2006

accidently hit post too soon

andrewgore · July 26, 2006

Wow, when i bring up issues with it, people get all antsy pants. I guess its to be expected from...no offense, the older generation. Mastercam is going to have to start to work with the younger generation. Yeah, i'm a bit more outspoken on the internet with forums and whatnot (and obviously not everyone takes everything said online or on forums as "lightly" as i do)

Stork....Yes, we are making money with X, the problem I have here is the mentality you showed there "if you don't like it you can just leave" I felt that from the way peter rimkus responded here on this forum. We've been using Mastercam here since v5 (iirc) and I personally since version 8 (the privilege of my father owning the business). What ever happened to suppliers doing anything and everything to ensure the end user is satisfied? I understand that not everyone is going to 100% satisifed 100% of the time and I accept that, but the feeling is still there of "if you dont like it....leave, we don't care about you".

Yes, I am 21, and I'll be damned if someone referes to me as a "know it all". I work with X at least 6 hours a day here at work programming, designing, and running our machines and have been for the past 3+ years. I am in no way ignorant to mastercam, or machining in general. I understand that while I may not have been in the trade (or using mastercam) as long as some people, but I feel as though I'm trying to bring a different perspective of things.....a younger perspective to things.

I try with all the machine shop things I do to push the software, hardware(computers), machines, and most importantly myself to the absolute limits on a daily basis. That means software bugs, broken tools, and stressed human CPU. I'm not in this for a quick dollar (if I wanted that, I would have stayed at an engineer position I previously had). I'm in this to help my fathers shop to succeed, not just for now, but for when the day comes that I can assume position as "head honcho" to provide for my familychildren and childrens children.

If you think that I have put no effort into learning this program.....I have 2 words that I'll kindly refrain from using.

While what I say may come off as apparently "harsh", I am truely looking to help further mastercam. We've got enough going on that switching software isn't practical, but not only that, we have product loyalty and we don't need anymore confusion for the other programmers at the shop here.

I've lost my train of thought here, but long story short, don't excuse me for being a "youngin". I am far more willing and open to new things (i'm the one who pushed for using X here at the shop and dang, i've been feeling the heat for it here. haha) I'm just outspoken when it comes to bugs that get on our nerves daily.

Andrew Gore

ps. no relation to the fellow who invented the internet....and blue jeans.

pps. seems like I should add some sort of "sarcasm emoticon" to my sig? I guess I can just read sarcasm online easier than others?

ppps....back to wrenching on the e30 for track day tomorrow

?Mark · July 26, 2006

Andrew, the thing is, bitching at this software without showing what the actual problem is, is counter-productive, and I bet that's what Terry meant.

btw, did you mean e30 like in e30 M3?

andrewgore · July 27, 2006

I've sent in every error report, and had a few emails with some guys at mastercam. Not trying to make things look like pissin n moaning, but well things are never ready clearly online and it seems I end up posting usually right after something goes haywire. lol I'll try to spend more time on here with "better" posts and all, but heck, when I get home from work.....machining is usually blocked out of my head, and i'm more focused on carsrc funthe lovely lil lady

As far as the car goes...by e30, i meant e30 325is. Fun car though (prior car = turbo mr2 that my dad smashed up and sr'd 240). I have an m50 motor im swapping in either late summerearly fall, or over the winter. Just need to get a gasket set for it, and she'll be going in I gotta do that and make some rearsets and clipons for my 74 rd350. Too many projects...too little time

Andrew

kinglouie V · July 27, 2006

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Ducati in my garage

me first!

Roger Peterson · July 27, 2006

Well Andrew at 21 I'm afraid everyone is going to think of you as a youngin. It happened to all of us, it's frustrating but you just have to deal with it. And, "asking" people to listen to your perspective is fine. But as a youngin' you should try to learn what you can from the "old guys". Many people in here have used many, many other softwares and know what unstable software is. Mastercam is not that.

HTH

chris m · July 27, 2006

I'm 33 and I've been working on machinery since you were in Kindergarten, people still talk to me like a kid sometimes; you'll get used to it.

As far as 'pushing it' don't kid yourself, you ain't doing anything somebody else isn't; no such thing as 'revolutionary' in this business.

Exodus · July 27, 2006

Andrew, You're not a youngin, I am. I'm only 16 So you can't really say that they don't like youngin's.

Pete Rimkus from CNC Software Inc. · July 27, 2006

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"...the problem I have here is the mentality you showed there "if you don't like it you can just leave" I felt that from the way peter rimkus responded here on this forum..."

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andrewgore,

You've been paying attention to what goes on here, so you must know that is NOT my attitude. That was really the one time I came on strong to a customer and he accepted it in the context in which it was given - why can't you? That thread was along the lines of 'don't just bitch, show us what the problem(s) is/are and we will try to help'

I think the "jumping levels" issue has been resovled for X2. We didn't get a repeatable instance of this from anyone until the same week X MR2 was being released, so it didn't make that build. It is/was limited to extending surfaces and using a construction level > 255. If you can reproduce a case where it's happening somewhere else, please let me/us know.

I'm not sure what the 'haywire' colors issue is. Is that the case you sent me where create surfaces from solids was not taking on the current construction color? Fill in the details and I'll see what I can do.