Wev'e got an "Ace in the hole"

[Scott Bond]

We got him, and I am happy about it.

This is a huge win.

 

[ 12-14-2003, 01:43 PM: Message edited by: Scott Bond ]

[Rekd™]

"We found a witch, sir. May we burn her?"

 

'Rekd teh Bonk! Bonk on the head!

[Scott Bond]

Good Morning

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"We found a witch, sir. May we burn her?"

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Yes 'Rekd ,, But there must be a trial first.

I hope they address the specific detail of him and his sons putting live prisoners in a meat grinder. That's how I heard ti first later I learned it wasn't a meat grinder it was a large plastic injection chipper. This was done in front of the victoms family, and depending on what your crime was,, dictated what went into the chipper first.

I know there are other war crimes ,, I am just hopeing to see the trial spells it out for the whinners that what the U.S. cut him any slack what so ever.

 

[ 12-14-2003, 01:10 PM: Message edited by: Scott Bond ]

[gcode]

From Stratfor.com

 

The Capture of Saddam Hussein

December 14, 2003 1303 GMT

Summary

 

Saddam Hussein has been captured in Iraq. This is the single most

important event in Iraq since the end of major hostilities. It is

not clear whether Hussein had operational control of the

guerrillas, but it is clear that he was the symbol not only of

resistance, but of American impotence. Moreover, whether in

active control or not, he knows a great deal about the guerrilla

movement, and the guerrillas cannot know whether he will talk.

That means the guerrillas are in crisis, and their future is in

doubt. It also means that in order to demonstrate their ongoing

determination, they will have to retaliate soon -- and hard.

 

 

Analysis

 

Saddam Hussein has been captured in Iraq. Most wars do not turn

on the fate of any one man -- and in the end, Hussein's capture

might not be decisive in ending the war, but it is certainly

going to be significant. It will undermine, probably to a great

extent, the fighting capacity of the guerrillas, certainly in the

medium term.

 

Hussein had become a symbol of the resistance and of the failure

of U.S. intelligence. So long as he was free, the guerrillas

could take comfort in the idea that American forces were blind.

However, as we have argued over the past weeks, that blindness

had been subsiding. Hussein's capture proves that to a great

extent, U.S intelligence in Iraq has penetrated the opacity of

the guerrillas. If the United States could find Hussein, its

forces could operate more effectively against the guerrillas.

 

That has to have a major effect on guerrilla morale. The best

fighting force in the world -- and the Iraqi guerrillas are far

from that -- needs hope of victory. The Iraqi guerrillas' hope of

victory turned on the impotence of U.S. intelligence. The United

States was able to destroy whatever it could see. If its vision

had improved to the point of seeing and capturing Hussein, then

it has improved enough to engage the guerrillas directly. The

guerrillas must, as individuals, now be recalculating the

probability of victory.

 

In addition, Hussein knows a great deal about the guerrillas'

structure and plans. Even if he was not in direct operational

command of the guerrillas, he certainly knows a great deal. The

fact that he was taken alive rather than killed says a great deal

about U.S. intentions to interrogate him. If he talks -- and

while that is uncertain, we suspect the interrogation will be

effective even if it does not resort to physical torture -- the

United States will become even more effective in terms of

intelligence.

 

Moreover, the guerrillas cannot possibly know whether he is going

to talk. They must assume the worst-case scenario. Therefore, the

guerrilla command must be calculating at this moment precisely

what Hussein knows. Once they determine that -- and they will not

be able to be certain what he does know -- they will have to make

speedy adjustments in deployment and methods to counter what is

likely to be a very rapid series of U.S. strikes based on that

fact.

 

Others in Iraq, particularly the Shia, will see the capture of

Hussein as potentially leading to a diminution in guerrilla

operations among the Sunnis and, therefore, a potential decline

in their own importance to Washington. They have been holding out

in several areas before finalizing a deal with the United States.

The value of that deal might decline in the coming days or weeks.

At this point, the United States does not know what the

consequences of Hussein's capture will be. Neither do the Shia,

but they will have to calculate the worst from their point of

view: the decline of the guerrilla threat. The pressure on the

Shia to close the deal is now more intense than it was before.

 

In the short run, the threat from the guerrillas actually

increases. They cannot go quiet: Regardless of his importance in

their campaign, the capture of Hussein forces them to increase

operations if possible. If they go quiet, it will result in

serious doubts among the ranks about the survival of the movement

and the possibilities of defections or simple desertions. In

order to prevent this, the guerrillas will need to strike quickly

and effectively. Over the next 72 hours, the threat of

counterattacks in Iraq will be substantial.

 

In the long run, the outcome is not at all clear. The guerrilla

command certainly did not depend solely on Hussein. The

movement's leaders might well be able to hold things together if

they can get through the next few weeks. However, if the

resistance continues, it is likely to strengthen the hand of

foreign Islamist fighters over the indigenous, secular, Baathist

guerrillas. As -- if -- these latter decline in strength and the

war continues, their influence over the movement is likely to

rise.

 

Under any circumstances, this is a massive psychological blow to

the guerrillas -- and guerrilla war depends heavily upon

psychological factors. The capture increases the credibility of

the United States dramatically and raises doubts about the

viability of the guerrillas. There is no downside to the United

States on this one -- save for inevitable criticisms as to

whether he was treated humanely, which will start coming out of

Europe in a matter of days.

 

What to do with him is an interesting question. Following

interrogation, he will be tried. He could be tried in Iraq,

although the outcome there is uncertain, and the internal

pressures could be substantial. An interesting choice would be to

try him at The Hague. What makes that important is that, in spite

of being an organ of the United Nations, the international war

crimes tribunal is a heavily European institution in many

respects. Sending him to The Hague would force the Europeans to

take primary responsibility for judging Hussein. In so doing, it

could shift European public opinion and the view of national

governments.

 

U.S. President George W. Bush certainly needed this capture from

a political standpoint. The vision of helplessness that had

plagued U.S. policy in Iraq can be reversed by this action,

assuming that any guerrilla counterattack is managed effectively

and explained publicly. In any event, Bush will now be able to

claim that in spite of his critics, he has quietly been pursuing

the war and that the effectiveness of this strategy is now

showing itself.

 

This might not have been a decisive day for the United States in

the war, but it was not a trivial day. Indeed, it is reasonable

to argue that this is the most important event since the end of

major combat activities was announced. We will now find out what

the guerrillas are made of -- and whatever the answer, that will

be the most important piece of intelligence available. Good, bad

or indifferent, U.S. leaders have got to know how resilient the

guerrillas are. And they are about to find out.

 

[ 12-14-2003, 01:11 PM: Message edited by: gcode ]

[Rekd™]

Here's some pictures of before and after they hosed him down and shaved his butt-hair..

 

 

'Rekd

[mold100]

hmmmm how to go about it, I think he should be stoned by his own people, live on christmas.

 

I am sick but what the hell.

[Trevor Bailey]

How about a machine with cattle prods protruding from it that would allow all the prods to hit different parts of his body while in secquence with the jingle bells song.

 

Or how about we just tie him to a tree, slice his gut open and let pigs in for the feeding. We could take bets as to how long he would live in Vegas.

 

So many choices.

[Thad]

This is such great news! I'm ecstatic. I never thought this day would come. I thought he'd take his own life before surrendering. No amount of pain could be inflicted on this sick m-fer to possibly repay what he has done to others. This is a huge victory!

 

Thank you all how have sacrificed to make this happen.

 

Thad

[Thad]

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shaved his butt-hair..

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Thad

[Scott Bond]

Fox news reports that the demacratic candidates talked him out.

[sir Camalot]

I think he should be made to hand dig 300,000 some odd graves for all the people he killed or had killed and then let the Iraqi people decide what should happen to him. Oooooor.....a good old fashioned tar and feather session with molasses and fire ants might be better! Thank God and our great troops for finding him!!

[Jimmy Wakeford from Barefoot CNC]

I hope that now the people of Iraq will help our troops out now that he has ben caught. They looked pretty happy.

 

Jimmy

[crazy^millman]

One thing I can say is a good day for that country. I hope the ramifications of this action will be known by its people and not taken as political ploy. I understand the importance of giving this guy what he has coming. I can see the countries in his support making the United States out to be bad guys and wrong for even capturing him. I thin kby his action and the way he was living and know acting he is a coward and the shell of a man. The countries that avacte sucide bombers should look at his cowardness and his true colors. They look at his coward action and beign less than a man but I promise you this they will imbrass him as the good guy and us the bad. I can't wait to see what algerzee TV paints this picture.

 

I am glad we got this xxxx and wish they would put his fait in the hands on the familes of the people he tourtered and let them give their own eye for and eye justice he deserves.

 

Crazy Millman

[Rekd™]

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dig 300,000 some odd graves for all the people he killed or had killed

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Wasn't it more like 6,000,000 + ??

 

'Rekd

[Scott Bond]

Hi Rek'd After the first 100,000 or so what does it matter?

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shaved his butt-hair..

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ROTFLMAO

 

[ 12-14-2003, 11:35 PM: Message edited by: Scott Bond ]

[Hardmill]

A good day indeed for the U.S. and the people

of Iraq. God Bless all our people over there.

We pray for their safe return.

 

PEACE

[jrykrl]

Now we need "osama for christmas"

Jer

[MACHINEMASTERG]

put each finger in the three jaw chuck one by one and turn it one at about 10 rpm a nice slow ripping of the fingers ...thats just a start

[jdempsey]

what ever is left should be buried with a slice of bacon.

[ScottyB]

Great news, indeed!!

I hope his followers find it ironic that he wanted them to die for the cause, while his "great stand" was hiding in a hole like the rat that he is.

Yesterday, our pastor read a chapter from Isaiah (19, i think) about the fall of the king of Babbalon, that paralleled this story so much it was scary.

Thank God for 1 of the best Christmas present we could ask for. (Now Santa, how about the other??)

I just pray for a swift trial so we can put this rat back in a 6 foot hole. God bless our soldiers. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of their duty.

 

ScottyB.

 

Ps. It's a little amazing that with all the guns pointed at Mr.H, one didn't accidently go off.

[Rekd™]

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Ps. It's a little amazing that with all the guns pointed at Mr.H, one didn't accidently go off.

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Yeah, but it looks like one of the butts of those guns might have 'slipped' upside his head..

 

'Rekd teh BONK!

[Müřlıń®]

I want out guys to come home as much as anyone.

But the capture of this madman will not stop the fighting. Most of these renegades are acting alone anyways. Acting out there own personel Jejad.....

 

The capture of Sadamm could make the attacks more intense. We just don't know......

 

But finding him is a huge moral boost to the troops I'm sure...

 

 

Murlin teh get a rope......

[Polite Luther]

Put this guy on trial in front of the world. Let the world SEE the evidence of mass killing, mass graves, torture & rape (in front of their families) and all the other atrocities this evil b*stard has committed. Once all this is out, you will truly see "Who is with us, and who is against us". And "us" will now be the free world, not just the U.S.A. There can be no longer be denying of the evil by the pacifist French or Germans who idly sit on the sidelines waiting to run over the sand stained with U.S.A blood to get in on some of the reconstruction contract booty. Then we can watch on T.V. all the Mullahs try to justify how their torturous dictaorships are different from Iraq's.

 

You may or may not like Bush, but years from now history will show that only America had the nuts to clean up the evil and try to make other countries free.

 

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The only territories we hold are memorials like this one and graveyards where our heroes rest. Ronald Reagan's "D-Day" Memorial Speech

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[Code_Breaker]

Time to shout, "Yeah, God"

[A-ron1286490684]

These new-age terrorist living arrangments can’t be doing much to bring in new recruits. You got Bin laden in rock cropped caves and Hussein in a rat hole with his low maintanence rat hole hair dew. Well maybe with enough kashmir covered poo-bah pillows it could be comfortable. Throw in some sweet smelling burka clad beauties who’ve never seen a razor and a fly covered goat’s head for dinner. Now that’s living boys.

 

Heard he could see one of his old palaces from the old run down farm house he was holed up in too.

 

I can’t help but wonder if some little part of Saddam or Osama feared what they really started when they first saw the 9/11 images…